Re: [tied] Scientific Nationalism?? HAHAHAHAHA

From: Che
Message: 8911
Date: 2001-09-01

Glenny, are you an American or something...? I can understand your position if so, as you have no national tradition (paradoxally the younger the country, the more xtreme its nationalism, like the US). Here in Barcelona we have to deal with lots like you and with the same "argument" (?) you expose. If you don't think nationalism is something natural or kinda that, if you believe that nation is an invention of the powerful to control the poor and the ignorant, you are so wrong! How do you call the cetaces' groupal behavior (orchs (is it orchs or orks? I mean "killer whales"), dolphins and all that stuff), obessed about protecting tgeir territori against strangers? Or even better, how do you call primats' social and political behavior? Have you heard about the "ape nations"? There's no a "cheetah conductual model" as there's no "human conductual model", when they shoot those national geographic films about apes they realise that each group is different (imagine those green alien guys comig for a shot and landing in Alaska. What would they think about us? And if they landed in Beijing?) and that apes' social structure is political, as ours is. Nationalism is something natural, like it or not. The only problem is that stupid antropocentrist sense of superiority towards animals we have that often doesn't let us see evidence. The more developed an species is (and we're supposed to be the most), the more complex is this behavior, not the weaker, as you may think. And it's science.
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Gordon
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:34 PM
Subject: [tied] Scientific Nationalism?? HAHAHAHAHA

Kalyanaraman:
>What is wrong with nationalism? The history of civilizations of the last
>two centuries is a history of adoring nationalism.

It's simple, Kal. Nationalism is based on sentiment and is therefore
inheirantly illogical, having no place in unbiased science and
theory. My conclusion is that nationalism is a type of psychological
disorder, not unlike schizophrenia or dimentia, affecting a patient's
sense of reality. Psychologists should be informed of the symptoms
so that proper treatment can be administered.

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