Re: Odin as a Trojan Prince

--- In cybalist@..., cas111jd@... wrote:

> >
> > Well, sometimes the lowlier the huts, the more extravagant the
> > mythology.
> >
> Yes, but I was talking about reconciling the dates between the fall
> of Troy c1250 BC and the paucity of Greco-Anatolian cultural
> influence in Tuscany for centuries. I don't see how refugees from a
> great civilization could have no noticable impact.
> >
> > Way back, and I forgot the details, I saw a theory that there was

a

> > massive fault in the dating of prehistoric events. The revision
> > proposed shrank the dark ages after 1200 BCE to a very short

time.

>
> If the dates don't fit, move the dates?
>

No, as I recall it, the proposed revision was argued better than
that. Unfortunately, all I remember was that it involved revising the
the Egyptian dating used traditionally.

> As
> > far as I can see, this (and only this) would save the

incorporation

> > of Aeneas story, like this:
> >
> > Troy consists of a city and the surrounding land. After Troy is
> > sacked, people try to live on, but because of disasters (and
> because
> > of loss of income from the city) are forced to leave. This would
> make
> > both the Aeneas and the Ulysses legend part of the Sea People
> > campaign.
>
> My own theory is that Troy was the economic lynch pin of the Aegean-
> Anatolian world. The Mycenaeans were threatened by the growing

power

> of the Hittites, and connived to defeat them. This is seen in the
> Hittite records where the 'king of Ahhiyawa' (Achaea) supported
> revolts in Arzawa (Caria) and probably Assuwa (Asia). The latter
> included the king of Wilusa (Ilion), but Wilusa was later a loyal
> vassal, sending a contingent of troops to Syria to fight at Kadesh
> against Rameses (the "Drdn" of Egyptian records = Dardanians of the
> Hellespont).

That makes sense to me who live in a country the raison d' of which
until 1857 was the Sound dues, legalized (?) combined plunder and
service of passing-by ships.
I saw on a local TV-station an account by 2 men who travelled through
unknown parts by canoe in the Amazon region. There they were assailed
(?) by people of an till now un-contacted tribe. But their
description of the encounter struck me. They said they couldn't
figure out whether these guys wanted to barter or to steal and that
the situation could have gone either way.
Now with a sail ship, sometimes you must put in at port, because the
wind is against you. If you do, bring some gifts. If you don't,
trouble. And if you just pass by with a good wind, that's not polite.
Trouble again.

>
> The Ilion-Hittite alliance was based on trade from the Balkans -
> especially tin. In Homer's Iliad, the Hittites were remembered as
> the "Indians", the fleet from Egypt and Phoenicia were probably
> Ugarit.
>
> Why nothing in Hittite records? The Trojan War occurred probably

soon

> after Kadesh. The Achaeans knew the Egyptians were attacking and
> probably took advantage of the weak Hittite western flank. Helen,
> IMO, was probably a version of the 'abduction of the summer

fertility

> goddess by the winter/underworld death god' familiar in EVERY IE
> mythology.

Or maybe it just happened that way. I don't find the story
particularly unlikely.

Torsten