Re: [tied] Re: Apocalyptical Horse

From: João S. Lopes Filho
Message: 8563
Date: 2001-08-17

INDIA: Kalki, the last avatar of Vishnu, a horse-headed giant or horse, that
will burn the world.
Badhava, the Submarine Fire, depicted sometimes as a mare-headed flame, lies
under the sea, but at the end of the time will burn the world. The same is
said about the third eye of Shiva.

SCANDINAVIA : Surtr, the Giant king of the fire-giants of Muspellsheim (any
etymology for Muspell-?), with his sword will burn the world. Loki is
sometimes considered to be the son of a couple of Fire-Giants, Fa:rbauti and
Laufey. Loki is "mother" of the eight-footed horse of Odinn, Sleipnir.

GREECE: The Burn of Troy is a kind of "grand finale" of Greek mythology. I
think Iliad must be analyzed by the same way that Mahabharatta was (as a
epical transposition of forgotten Ragnarok-like myth).

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> Firstly, cognates of Skt bhaga I believe are restriced to Satem
> languages in Persian and Slavic, but not Baltic or Albanian (Armenian
> I don't know). I am not aware of anything close in Greek or any other
> centum language. I remember reading where English bogey, bug, puck,
> and other words are derived from a root word related to the satem
> words for 'god', but as I recall the source was not very
> authoritative.
> I believe the same is true of horse: Lith asva, Skt asva/ azva,
> Avestan aspa. Perhaps centum cognates are ON hestr, Swe hast, and
> Gaelic osan? There is also Hittite Asuwa/ aswu. Perhaps Pegasos was
> derived from there? Nothing close in Greek, however.
> Pegasus was the offspring of the Medusa and Poseidon. This hardly
> seems the lineage of the 'horse of god'. Poseidon had a chariot
> pulled by horses. So did the Welsh sea-god Manannan and the Norse sea-
> god Aegir. They rode across the tops of waves. Perhaps this was
> associated with sea breezes or clouds and mists at sea. I believe
> that these three IE sea-gods were all related to the same PIE belief.
> As for the apocalyptic destruction, I think that is pretty well
> restricted to the World Serpent in about every IE mythology.
> --- In cybalist@..., "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...> wrote:
> > Well, I was not saying that in IE mythology the horse is allways
> associated to apocalyptical destruction, but that there's some traits
> of an older myth involving a horse (or a mare) in a kind of proto-
> Ragnarok. There was also traits of supernatural horses helping
> heroes, like Pegasus or Areion. Speaking of Pegasos... could be
> ending -asos akin to Indo-Iranian ashva?
> > So, Pe:gasos < * Bhaga-asva "Godly Horse"? Perhaps originally
> *Bagasos, later due folk-etymological association with pe:ge: "well,
> fountain" turned into Pa:gasos?
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