Re: [tied] Odin as a Trojan Prince

--- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> >> Snorri makes Odin a wanderer from Troy and you ask how I know

what

> his literary model is ... I hope you don't buy stuff like "Aesir =
> Asiamen" as based on fact.
>
> > No, but how about Etruscan (and Lemnian) *as- "god", the Yaz-
> people, "iron" (aes) people, and your own theory of Goths as

casters

> and founders? (yes I know about the /n/ in *ansuz, but how about
> nasalisation in the other cognates?)
>
> What "other cognates"?

Sea of Azov.

What "cognates" in the first place? Iranian

> yaz- has nothing to do with *h2ajes- ("aes"), and *as- : *ansu- is
> not what you might call a compelling equation.

/ais/ and *ayes-. Hm.
As for *ansu-, it might be a hypercorrection, influenced by *an-
"breath, spirit"

>
>
> > Where I come from, a story is either true or false. I don't
> understand Klingenbergs epistemology: What exactly is "non-history"
> and in italics at that)? The question is: Is Snorri's story of Odin
> true or false?
>
> OK, it's _factually_ false. It is evidently a late construct -- a
> piece of literary fiction, inspired partly by Germanic traditions,
> partly by Graeco-Roman influences, and framed in a Christian

context.

>
> > Klingenberg does not answer that question, he just assumes as
> obvious that he did.
>
> Did you read the article or just the summary I quoted?
>

Let me paraphrase Klingenberg's argument:
A lot of English historians claim there was a battle near a place
called Waterloo, and a certain French emperor Napoleon was defeated
by English troops. But we all know that many English historian were
educated at boarding schools where they read the classical authors.
It is evident that they calqued the battle of Gaugamela, where
Alexander beat the Persian emperor. The purpose of the story is
therefore to justify the English independence of France. The story is
_factually false, and there has never been a battle at Waterloo,
except in the heads of a lunatic fringe who have a need to believe
such stories.

> Piotr

Torsten