Re: Inguaeonum [was Celtic Jutland]

From: cas111jd@...
Message: 8432
Date: 2001-08-10

--- In cybalist@..., "Christopher Gwinn" <sonno3@...> wrote:
> > > I don't think it is at all certain what language the people in
> you
> > > Istvaeonic group spoke. The Nemetes and Triboci may have been
> > Celtic -
> > > - Chris Gwinn
> >
> > I agree. The Nemetes recalls the Nemnetes of NW Spain, the
> > of the lower Loire basin in France, and (IMO) possibly the
> Nemedians
> > of Irish mythology.
> I don't think that the the name Namnetes is related to Nemetes.

My wont to relate the names is based on my theory that much of
Gaulish western Europe was colonized by factions of tribes
emmigrating from central Europe. This seems obvious with the Boii of
Bohemia also found in central Gaul, and from there some colonized
northern Italy along with their Senone allies from Gaul. There was
also the Volcae-Tectosages of Slovakia also found in S. Gaul after
the Hannibalic wars, and of course in Galatia.

We also have the Lemovii of the lower Oder in central Europe and the
Lemovices of S. Gaul, the Brigantii of Vindelicia and the Brigantes
of Britain and Ireland, the Lugii of Silesia and the Lugii of
northern Britain and possibly Lugdunum and Lugos, the Parisi of Gaul
and Britain, etc, that could fit in this model. So, awkward
linguistics aside, the Nemetes, Namnetes, and Nemetati (not Nemnetes,
as I stated previously) tribes seem related (IMO).

> > and the Gauls had Nemetona, the 'goddess of the
> > sacred grove'. IMO the names of many Celtic tribes seemed to have
> > been named for their tutelary deities (epithets included) or had
> some
> > religious significance.
> True - but then again, some Celtic gods have taken their names from
> tribes or from places.

Yes, I can recall the Sequanni named after the goddess of the R.
Seine (every river had an eponymous goddess, didn't they?). What
others can you recall?

> > The prefix Tri- was also found in the
> > Trinobantes of Britain, and perhaps the Treverii of Belgium? I
> > suspect it had to do with the triple or triune gods and goddesses
> of
> > Celtic and IE religions.
> The Tri- in Triboci may be Celtic tri- "three" or a variant
> of tre- "through/across" - though it must be admitted that tri- is
> the compound form of "three" in many archaic Indo European
> so is not particularyl Celtic.
> - Chris Gwinn

Interesting. Again, my wont is partly based on the triads and
trinities stronger, it seems to me, in Celtic religion than most
others. Could bocii be a corruption of boii?

As for tre-, I guess I forgot reading that. As I now recall, it is
thought to be named after their capital on the Moselle, which was a
river crossing. This mention did spark a question: could a cognate of
this word be found in Thracian as Troy and 'the Troad'? Given that
this area was the main crossing point in all of antiquity from Europe
to Asia Minor ... just a thought.