Re: [tied] Dr van Helsing, I presume?

From: tgpedersen@...
Message: 8278
Date: 2001-08-03

> --- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> > > You're right, the -ing formation is more general and can refer
> a
> > place of origin, though I'm not sure how old this usage. So maybe
> the
> > Helsings were "people from the Hals" rather
> > than "descendants/servants of Hals".
> > >
> > > Silesia is supposed to be the land of the Silings (Polish
> <
> > *sIle~z^-Isk-U < *siling-isk-), one of the major "Vandalic"
> of
> > the Lugian union. They are usually mentioned together with the
> > Hasdings, as in Tacitus. The name is no doubt Germanic but I
> > know how to etymologise it. Sall- in Salling doesn't look too
> > promising as a match for Sil-. Give me some time to think it over.
> > >
> > > Piotr
You're right. My NuDansk Ordbog (they don't loan out dictionaries at
the linguistic library) has
Salling (ca. 1187 Salingh) deriv. with suff. -ing q.v. most likely
from adj. *sal ON sol-r "pale", OE salu "dark", perhaps orig. name of
Which doesn't convince me, but the -a- seems solid.

> > >
> > Alfred the Great's "Sillende" comes to mind. Bomhard has
a "water"
> > root *s-l-, cf Danish <sile> "pour down steadily (esp. of rain)"
> >
> > Torsten

--- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> The interpretation of Ohthere's "Sillende" remains unclear, and
> opinions vary (favouring various identifications, from
> Silund/Selund/Sjælland to northern Schleswig). A connection with
> Silings' name is possible, though I haven't seen it worked out in
> detail. <sile> is, I think, a derivative of the the verb root *si:-
> 'strain, filter, sieve' (cf. Old Norse si:a), so "pass through a
> strainer" > "come down (of rainwater)". The etymological long *i:
> does not match the vocalism of *sil-.
Which makes sense within Germanic, but, still, Bomhrad has a lot of
*s-l- stuff.
> Piotr