Re: [tied] Loha, copper, red: any IE cognates?

From: Glen Gordon
Message: 8262
Date: 2001-08-02

Patrick says weird things again:
>It is quite possible that it might be a compound of, e.g. me5, 'water' +
>luh, 'shine',

The Sumerian word for water is /a/. The Semitic root
for water is *may-.

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>From: "Patrick C. Ryan" <proto-language@...>
>To: <>
>Subject: Re: [tied] Loha, copper, red: any IE cognates?
>Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:28:44 -0500
>Dear S. Kalyanaraman and Cybalisters:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Glen Gordon
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 4:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Loha, copper, red: any IE cognates?
> S. Kalyanaraman:
> >It could also be copper-arsenic naturally occurring alloy or a copper
> >pyrite. So, Me-luhh-a may refer to an area from where such copper
> >(refined, washed, or copper pyrite) was obtained?
> Omg... Are you listening at all?? Sumerian /luh/ means **to wash**
> and /luhh-a/ is /luh/ + /-a/. There is no such word as */luhha/ and
> it does *not* mean "refined copper". At best the entire phrase
> /urudu luhha/ might be seen as meaning "refined copper". Please
> read up on Sumerian before inventing cockamamey theories that are
> blatantly false.
> [PCR]
> luh-a is presumably a product of luh + -a. However, it is quite common
>in Sumerian for -a to be combined with the final consonant of the preceding
>word, and written as C(1)VC(2)-C(2)a.
> And please disregard Patrick's unresearched comment about /u/ +
> /rudu/, which doesn't even make a shred of sense anyway. Most
> likely, /urudu/ isn't even Sumerian, ultimately borrowed from
> a foreign language in the Neolithic (and just in case your mind
> is starting to daydream again, this language ain't Munda).
> So, please tell me you understand now. Rule number one in
> linguistics: You *cannot* divide words ignorantly, any way you
> please. Afaik, Meluhha is a single indivisible name for a country,
> which is presumed to be the Indus civilisation.
> [PCR]
> We do not know whether Meluhha is a loanword from another language or a
>Sumerian compound. It is quite possible that it might be a compound of,
>e.g. me5, 'water' + luh, 'shine', so that something like 'shiny water' is
> As Piotr said, there is dialectal variation in Sanskrit regarding
> /l-/ and /r-/ and /loha/ is derived from IndoEuropean *H1reudh-
> with an *-r-, not an *l.
> Pat
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