Odp: [tied] Re: kuningas <-> knyaz

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 8212
Date: 2001-08-01

<Hals-> in the sense "narrow something" (strait, pass, etc.) is found in Germanic toponymy, but here I feel we have a personal name or anyway a term denoting a man, just as in other -ing derivatives. The Heimskringla says that the province of Helsingjaland (not to be confused with Helsinki) was established by Thorer Helsing (note also Hysing and Helsing, Gandalf's sons). <Helsing> has the typical structure of tribal or clan names.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:13 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: kuningas <-> knyaz

--- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tgpedersen@...
> > And how old is the name Helsinge (obviously Germanic) then?
> I don't know for sure, but I think Scandinavian X-ing(e) is more or
less the same formation as German X-ing(e) and English X-ing(s) (OE X-
ingas), with the suffix added to a personal name and the placeneme
referring to "people of X". My guess is *Hals-ing- "(village
inhabited by) people of someone whose nickname was Hals)", but I may
be wrong. This type of placename formation is archaic in Britain and
in Germany, and presumably also in Scandinavia.

From <hals> in the sense "throat" > "narrow strait" is what I've