Re: [tied] Re: Armenian.

From: João S. Lopes Filho
Message: 8010
Date: 2001-07-20

An interesting trait that we have to consider is that Greek maintain the
original IE vocal system; Armenian too.
Indo-Iranian seemed did o>a (lately also e>a), and perhaps Thracian and
Albanian did the same.
----- Original Message -----
From: <markodegard@...>
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Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:19 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: Armenian.

> So. This makes the RUKI-rule a later (post proto-Armenian breakoff)
> rule, with RUKI affecting [pre-?]proto-Balto-Slavic separately. But it
> makes e-augment earlier, I think.
> All of these isoglosses make one's brain overheat.
> --- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> > Armenian is a Satem language; in fact it's more consistently Satemic
> than any other branch. I suggest that until ca. 2000 BC, pre-Hellenic,
> pre-Armenian and Proto-Indo-Iranian dialects (as well as ancestors of
> minor groups such as Phrygian, which was closer to Greek, Thracian,
> Getic and perhaps Albanian) formed a Sprachbund north of the Black Sea
> and the Caucasus, with Greek splitting off before the Satem
> palatalisation and some other eastern features began to spread. Some
> early innovations affected Greek, Armenian and Indo-Iranian but did
> not diffuse into other neighbouring groups such as pre-Baltic/Slavic.
> As regards Armenian, some scholars propose a very early migration
> date, not later than the middle of the second millennium BC. Werner
> Winter (1997) argues that the most likely derivation of Hurrian
> es^s^i- 'horse' is from an ancestral form of Armenian e:s^ (now
> meaning 'donkey' but reflecting *eis^- < ek^wo-; the shape of the
> Hurrian word rules out Anatolian or Indo-Aryan origin). If so,
> however, the date of Proto-Armenian/Hurrian contacts would likely have
> preceded the borrowing of Indo-Aryan horse-breeding and horse-training
> jargon by the Hurrians, and the area where the contacts occurred may
> have been well to the northeast of historical Arme (= Armini, attested
> in the mid-8th c. BC), possibly in or near the Caucasus.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: cas111jd@...
> > To: cybalist@...
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:45 PM
> > Subject: [tied] Re: Armenian.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I know. I'm just looking at it from history and archaeology. I
> > see no way that they could just appear out of nowhere in the post-
> > Assyrian period.
> >
> > As far as the Greco-Armeno-Iranian language isoglosses, I've always
> > wondered if their was some substata of pre-IE poplations across this
> > area whose common language features can help explain that
> > commonality. Otherwise we might surmise that the early Greeks were
> in
> > close contact with the proto-Armenians and Iranians of the Pontic
> > steppe. However, with the Greeks peeling off first for the sunny
> > south, followed a millenium later by the Iranians, then about three
> > or four centuries later by the Armenians? I suppose the Armenians
> > would have followed in the wake of the Cimmerians and Scythians from
> > the north Caucasic steppe?
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