From: João S. Lopes Filho
Message: 7903
Date: 2001-07-16
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Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 9:21 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: There was Three Smiths
> --- In cybalist@..., "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...> wrote:
> > PIE Smith God: One or Three
> >
> > It's clear to me that PIE myth had a triad of Three Smith Gods
> (perhaps originally carpenters).
> > Let's see:
> >
> > The Three Cyclopes (Greece) : Brontes, Steropes, Arges
> > The Three Rbhu (India) : Rbhuks.an, Vaja, Vibhu
> > The Three (or Four) Elves, Ivaldir's sons (Scandinavia) : Alfrigr,
> Grerr, Bergling ...or...Eitri, Brokk, Sindri
> > The Three Irish Smiths : Goibniu, Luchtar and Creidne (or Cian,
> Samain and Goibniu)
> >
> > And more:
> > The Four/Three Telkhines? - Ormenos, Lykos, Akteus and
> Megalesios ...or... Argyron, Khryson and Kalkhon
> > The Three Builders of Thebas walls - Amphion, Zethos, Lokros
> > The Three Builders of Trojan walls - Poseidon, Apollon and Aiakos
> >
> > My hypothesis is that there were Three Smith Gods, possibly three
> men that was turned into gods to honour their great squills. Their
> were:
> > THUNDER - names
> meaning "thunder", "thunderer", "strong", "noisy", "copper/bronze"
> > LIGHTNING - names
> meaning "quick", "violent", "penetrant", "hot", "burning", "gold"
> > FLASH - names meaninh "shining", "white", "gleaming", "silver"
> >
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> The Telkhines seem to be associated with the Kabeiroi, the Daktuloi,
> and the Cretan Kouretes. These groups are considered to be
> magicians, craftsmen, and metalkworkers.
> In the work "Themis: A Study of the Social Origins of Greek
> Religion", Jane Ellen Harrison discusses specifically the Kouretes.
> The Kouretes were in myth a group of armed dancers who protected the
> infant Zeus by rattling their shields and spears together. Harrison
> shows, with the help of "The Hymn of the Kouretes", that this was
> likely part of an initiation ceremony resembling many worldwide, and
> that the din of the spears and shields served to frighten the child
> being initiated, playing the role of the young Zeus. The Kouretes
> themselves would be initiated men from within the tribe. In order to
> maintain the efficacy of the ceremony, the identity of the Kouretes
> had to remain a secret of the initiated men.
> By extension, the author argues that the related semi-divine
> Telkhines etc. would also be secret identities of initiated members,
> who thus guard and pass on the lore of metalworking etc.
>
> -Mr. Caws
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