Re: [tied] Sarmatians in Hungary

From: WtsDv@...
Message: 7361
Date: 2001-05-23

Yes, that's right. A group of Jazygians and allied Cuman (Kipchak)
that had defected from the Mongols entered Hungary in the 13th c.
and in return for military services received special privileges
from King Béla IV. So it was a "resettlement" of the area by
Jazygians not a continuation. The descendants of this group still
call themselves the Jász which I think tends to prove that the word
Jazygian is derived from the word which appears in different sources
variously as "Jas, Yas, As, Oss, Russ. Jassy," etc." (compare the
Ossetic suffixes -ag, -ig, -ug) and that the two peoples were the
same, or branches of the same Sarmatian tribe.

--- In cybalist@..., ehlsmith@... wrote:
> Hi,
> New member, but longtime lurker...
> At
> the statement is made that the Jasz were a branch of the Alans who
> entered Hungary in the 13th century, fleeing the Mongols. They
> apparently were not descendants of the earlier Iazygians of the
> Classical era (although the name of the earlier group may have been
> applied to them). That seems a more reasonable scenario IMO than
> language surviving in the turbulent Danubian basin from Roman times
> until the 1400s.
> Ned Smith
> --- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> >
> > I've located my earlier posting on the "last European Sarmatians":
> >
> >
> >
> > Piotr
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alberto Manzoni
> > To: cybalist@...
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:57 AM
> > Subject: [tied] Sarmatians in Hungary vs Székély/Sicui in
> Transilvanea
> >
> >
> > I have a question for you all. I had read anywhere that in the
> > XVII/XVIII century, under the Habsburgen, were still alive in
> > Panonian plain villagers speaking an Iranian dialects, 'relics'
> of
> > the Sarmatian established there in Roman era. Anyone could tell
> me
> > anything about?