Odp: [tied] Re: The potentially non-stative nature of *es-?

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 7211
Date: 2001-04-24

But both changes are entirely ad hoc. Germanic did not drop unstressed initial syllables or perform the kind of dissimilatory-loss-cum-compensatory-lengthening you describe. You can't derive all Germanic preterites from reduplicated perfects without manipulating the material in unacceptable ways. What about <was, were> from OE waes, wae:ron < *was, *we:z-? The plural we:z- cannot possibly derive from *we-ws-', since that would have given *weuz- > *we:or- in the lineage leading down to English. What about the most transparent strong-verb paradigms of all, Classes I-III?
 
dri:fan, dra:f, drifon, drifen
hle:opan, hle:ap, hlupon, hlopen
singan, sang, sungon, sungen
 
<sungon> goes back to *sngWH-, definitely not *se-sngWH-'. There is no trace of lengthening in these classes. The reason is plain -- all these preterite plurals derive from _unreduplicated_ nil-grade stems. I'm inclined to think that the pattern <saet/sae:t-> goes back to *sód-/*sed-' (here *e is the "weak" counterpart of *o in a CVC root), with some kind of vrddhi affecting the plural stem (the influence of the lengthened-grade aorist, most likely).
 
Piotr
 
 
 
 
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Subject: [tied] Re: The potentially non-stative nature of *es-?

--- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> But in this Germanic verb class the singular has a _short_ vowel;
and in this particular case the original reduplicated plural was _not_
*CeCVD- but CeCD- (to wit, *se-sd- plus a stressed inflectional
syllable).

I guessed that in the singular *{sesód} > *[sesát] the unstressed
initial syllable simply dropped, but in the plural with the stress
elsewhere *{sezd-} > *[sest-] and then the second occurrence of the
reduplicated consonant dropped with compensatory vowel lengthening
due to some sort of dissimilation effect. There are instances in other
languages of a `vowel consonant' becoming `long vowel' before another
consonant.