Re: [tied] gr!

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 6860
Date: 2001-03-28

Yes, very true. I should have said that the fact that we transliterate the "heart" word (or rather the Akkadogram in question) as <gir> rather than <kir> reflects the accidental preferences of _modern philologists_, since in Old Akkadian the same character (a.k.a. #346 in Borger) was available to represent phonetic [kir], [gir] and [qir] (voiceless, voiced, velar or uvular, not to mention [pis^] etc.). Actually, it appears that its most common phonetic value at Kültepe (Kanesh) was [kir], which would mean that what the Hittites adopted was in fact the best Akkadographic approximation of their [ki:r] < *k^e:r.
 
Piotr
 
 
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From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: Odp: Odp: [tied] gr!

The whole question is meaningless, since <gir> and <kir> are in fact the same sign (#244 in Ruester and Neu's Zeichenlexikon: [phonetic:] gir, kir, pis^, (pas^), pus^3, bis^, [akkadogram:] qir, [sumerogram:] HA6).  The word would usually have been written S^A3-ir, anyway, with the Sumerogram for "heart".