From: Kraig Hausmann
Message: 6551
Date: 2001-03-12
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From: Glen Gordon <glengordon01@...>
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Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 8:02 AM
Subject: [tied] Hathor
> Kraig Hausmann:
> >First, a quote from I originally didn't want to post this b/c I >thought
it
> >was off-topic. But apparently, that isn't a concern with >this
discussion
> >group. (Yep, I'm talking about the Egyptian >mythology, etc.)
>
> Kraig, it DOES relate to the IE language and this List if, as I have
already
> suggested, the IE word *xste:r "star" used as a name in prehistoric times
> for the common love goddess had been borrowed by neighbouring Tyrrhenian
sea
> traders in the Balkans (via an approximation of the name as *Hattor or
> *Xattor) travelling therefrom to all coastal cultures like the Egyptians
> (Hathor) and Semitic (*`ATtaritu) around 5500 BCE.
>
>
> Max(ine) Dashu:
> >For which you have found evidence for Tyrrhenian influence in Egypt?
> >Archaeological details welcome.
>
> Well, we can't expect to find a sign saying "Tyrrhenians were here" buried
> off the coast of Egypt, can we? Of course not. I define the homeland of
the
> Tyrrhenians to be around the Balkans/WestAnatolia area, as I said
> previously. So, what must be found is archaeological evidence supporting
the
> existence of influence from this direction. As I also said, it appears to
me
> that while agriculture is flowing from Asia to Europe c. 6000 BCE,
> mythological ideas seem to be flowing in the opposite direction _from_
> Europe. I expect to find primarily religious concepts to have travelled
from
> Europe to Egypt and elsewhere via this Mediterranean sea trade.
>
> It's kinda interesting how Crete appears to have gained jewellery, vases
and
> other riches from Anatolia and North Africa around the time I state, don't
> you think? Sesklo is a neolithic settlement in Greece that flourished
around
> 5500 BCE. There's a point during this time where the percentage of
obsidian
> in chipped stone increases, pointing to stronger trading around the
Aegean.
>
> Check out this site:
> http://csf.colorado.edu/jwsr/archive/vol2/v2_nb.htm
>
> I particularly vibrate with indecent joy when it says:
> "A number of archaeological finds attest to the existence of a fairly
> extensive exchange system in the prehistoric Aegean. The distribution of
> non-local goods began in the Upper Palaeolithic, continued in
> the Mesolithic, gathered momentum in the Neolithic and culminated in the
> extensive system of the BA. For the earlier periods, obsidian is a good
> indicator of the extent of the system."
>
> So there's trade from Aegean to Crete and Crete to Anatolia/N.Africa. Hmm,
> sounds like the makings of a prehistoric network of sea traders in the
> Eastern Mediterranean to me. It should be easily understood how this
network
> can be a conductor of European influences into North Africa... And the
> influences actually are attested, for instance, via the Mediterranean
Great
> Goddess concept that Hathor embodies.
>
> Say, I wonder how we might explain that terra cotta "bird goddess"
figurine
> with uplifted arms found in Egypt c.3600 BCE evocative of European, Cretan
> and Middle-Eastern iconography which might in some way underline my
hunches.
>
> Thank you, thank you... [I take a flamboyent bow as succulent and
> potentially cloth-staining produce is aimed at my virtual person by the
> digusted members of this List.]
>
> >Ast, Aset, Auset are the forms usually cited. As I understand it, the
> > >names the Greeks called Isis and Osiris did not begin with different
> > >sounds in Kemetic. Asar and Aset, or as some have it, Ausar and >Auset.
>
> I forgot what it is you were trying to say now. I think we were talking
> about Hathor and how, whether Hellenic or Kemetic in origin, this name
> reflects the original pronunciation regardless.
>
> >But, I repeat, why the Coptic names? No Egyptologist I've ever seen >has
> >claimed Esi or Esit or Isit for "Isis."
>
> I have no clue what you're getting at now. I've told you that the
> e-insertions (eg. /set/ for [st]) are for the lay(wo)m(y/e)n so that they
> can rejoice in bastardizing an ancient tongue in the ignorant modern day.
> What are you arguing??
>
> >Too bad my dry wit is not playful enough for you... Calm down, it's >only
> >humor.
>
> I see. A woman of mystery. First, your name which gnaws at the fabric of
> traditional gender norms and now smiley-less words with mute undertones of
> psychology. Clever, very clever. :)
>
> >Assume nothing, entertain possibilities.
>
> My methodology is to entertain the likeliest possibility until facts arise
> that contradict that held assumption, as has been done here. Entertaining
> all possibilities at once is a losing juggling act. Besides, there are no
> pronouns in the English language for the "third person indeterminate" and
> refering to you as "it" or "he-she" doesn't seem socially tactful.
>
> - gLeN
>
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