[tied] Re: Etruscan and Anatolian

--- In cybalist@..., "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...> wrote:

>
>
> I'm getting a vibe from this "Vel" thing too. There is

also /Velchans/. If I

> didn't know any better, I'd almost say that there was a chthonic

deity with

> a name beginning with "Vel"/"Pel"/"Bel", worshipped in Eastern

Europe at a

> preIE date. Perhaps the god, if it existed, was a *PerkWnos-like

deity. But

> if true, I can't help but notice the connection between Semitic

*Ba`lu- in

> both function and phonetics. I know it's a wild connection but

damned if I'm

> not drawn to it...

Interesting. I like with the old chthonic god idea, though I still
think the name could well be IE in origin. I have heard that this
deity is known for stealing cattle, not unlike the old story with
Hermes. How about Vel Turms for Voltumna? Just a guess. As long as I
am guessing, if Velchans is of a similar nature, tehn how about
Sethlans=Set(h). This is another chthonic deity, maybe more familiar
to the Aegean type folk via Crete/Egypt?

> > The sky division thing is intriguing.

> Yes. Sixteen is four times four. Since sixteen is a rather complex

number, I

> would presume that the concept arose out of a simpler concept of

four

> divisions. Later, each quarter would be divided into four parts in

turn,

> giving sixteen parts. But if each division represents a realm of a

deity,

> wouldn't that mean that there were originally only four main

deities

> involved in this? What deities would they be? Would they something

along the

> lines of a Zeus-Hera-Ares-Aphrodite quartet? In Etruscan terms,

perhaps

> Tins-Menerva-Velchans-Turan? Actually, I want to make a seperate

post that

> would relate these four gods, tanism, trinity, the number seven,

5500 BCE

> and the Minoan "snake goddess" symbolism all in one go, but it's

late and

> I'm sleepy.

I think you are right about the quadrant as an original divider.
Usually I hear of a trinity of head honcho Etruscan divinities:Uni,
Tinia, and Menrva. I am not sure where the quadrant thing plays in,
but I am thinking it is closely related to astronomy taken via Near
East.

-Mr. Caws
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