Kraig Hausmann:
>First, a quote from I originally didn't want to post this b/c I >thought it
>was off-topic. But apparently, that isn't a concern with >this discussion
>group. (Yep, I'm talking about the Egyptian >mythology, etc.)
Kraig, it DOES relate to the IE language and this List if, as I have already
suggested, the IE word *xste:r "star" used as a name in prehistoric times
for the common love goddess had been borrowed by neighbouring Tyrrhenian sea
traders in the Balkans (via an approximation of the name as *Hattor or
*Xattor) travelling therefrom to all coastal cultures like the Egyptians
(Hathor) and Semitic (*`ATtaritu) around 5500 BCE.
Max(ine) Dashu:
>For which you have found evidence for Tyrrhenian influence in Egypt?
>Archaeological details welcome.
Well, we can't expect to find a sign saying "Tyrrhenians were here" buried
off the coast of Egypt, can we? Of course not. I define the homeland of the
Tyrrhenians to be around the Balkans/WestAnatolia area, as I said
previously. So, what must be found is archaeological evidence supporting the
existence of influence from this direction. As I also said, it appears to me
that while agriculture is flowing from Asia to Europe c. 6000 BCE,
mythological ideas seem to be flowing in the opposite direction _from_
Europe. I expect to find primarily religious concepts to have travelled from
Europe to Egypt and elsewhere via this Mediterranean sea trade.
It's kinda interesting how Crete appears to have gained jewellery, vases and
other riches from Anatolia and North Africa around the time I state, don't
you think? Sesklo is a neolithic settlement in Greece that flourished around
5500 BCE. There's a point during this time where the percentage of obsidian
in chipped stone increases, pointing to stronger trading around the Aegean.
Check out this site:
http://csf.colorado.edu/jwsr/archive/vol2/v2_nb.htm
I particularly vibrate with indecent joy when it says:
"A number of archaeological finds attest to the existence of a fairly
extensive exchange system in the prehistoric Aegean. The distribution of
non-local goods began in the Upper Palaeolithic, continued in
the Mesolithic, gathered momentum in the Neolithic and culminated in the
extensive system of the BA. For the earlier periods, obsidian is a good
indicator of the extent of the system."
So there's trade from Aegean to Crete and Crete to Anatolia/N.Africa. Hmm,
sounds like the makings of a prehistoric network of sea traders in the
Eastern Mediterranean to me. It should be easily understood how this network
can be a conductor of European influences into North Africa... And the
influences actually are attested, for instance, via the Mediterranean Great
Goddess concept that Hathor embodies.
Say, I wonder how we might explain that terra cotta "bird goddess" figurine
with uplifted arms found in Egypt c.3600 BCE evocative of European, Cretan
and Middle-Eastern iconography which might in some way underline my hunches.
Thank you, thank you... [I take a flamboyent bow as succulent and
potentially cloth-staining produce is aimed at my virtual person by the
digusted members of this List.]
>Ast, Aset, Auset are the forms usually cited. As I understand it, the
> >names the Greeks called Isis and Osiris did not begin with different
> >sounds in Kemetic. Asar and Aset, or as some have it, Ausar and >Auset.
I forgot what it is you were trying to say now. I think we were talking
about Hathor and how, whether Hellenic or Kemetic in origin, this name
reflects the original pronunciation regardless.
>But, I repeat, why the Coptic names? No Egyptologist I've ever seen >has
>claimed Esi or Esit or Isit for "Isis."
I have no clue what you're getting at now. I've told you that the
e-insertions (eg. /set/ for [st]) are for the lay(wo)m(y/e)n so that they
can rejoice in bastardizing an ancient tongue in the ignorant modern day.
What are you arguing??
>Too bad my dry wit is not playful enough for you... Calm down, it's >only
>humor.
I see. A woman of mystery. First, your name which gnaws at the fabric of
traditional gender norms and now smiley-less words with mute undertones of
psychology. Clever, very clever. :)
>Assume nothing, entertain possibilities.
My methodology is to entertain the likeliest possibility until facts arise
that contradict that held assumption, as has been done here. Entertaining
all possibilities at once is a losing juggling act. Besides, there are no
pronouns in the English language for the "third person indeterminate" and
refering to you as "it" or "he-she" doesn't seem socially tactful.
- gLeN
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