Re: [tied] Etruscan and Nakh

--- In cybalist@..., "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...> wrote:

>

?> >There is a 'connection' between IE and Etruscan. I just don't
agree

> >that there is enough evidence to say that that connection is

genetic.

> >And of course, even if that was the case, it would not preclude
> >non-genetic influence from elsewhere anyway.
>
> I am not ignoring the very real possibility of prehistorical

interaction

> between two or more non-related languages. I just don't believe

that NEC can

> possibly have ever crossed paths with Etruscan. Perhaps if I joined

a seance

> or phoned the Psychic Hotline, they might convince me that this is

true. The

> idea that Etruscan and IE are genetically related must be given far

more

> weight than other more absurd connections like the Nakh thing...

.

>
> The next puzzle though is whether the rest of the names and words

like

> Korinthos, Tirinthos, Knossos, labyrinthos, asaminthos, narkissos,

and

> probably others that lack the tell-tale /-sso-/ and /-ntho-/

markings are

> truely Anatolian as some have suggested or in reality Tyrrhenian

(or gasp,

> worse yet: Tyrrhenian with Semitish, Semitic and/or Egyptian

substrate!). At

> any rate, the endings _can_ be explained a la Tyrrhenian (-sso- = *-

se

> [genitive]; *-ena-ta < *-ena [ethnic] = -ntho-)... The plot just

gets

> thicker and thicker.
>
>

O

>
> No, the question is: What movement are we speaking about? Demic?

Cultural?

> Technological? Mythological? Linguistic? Etc? Movement of who? The

Nakh? The

> Etruscans? The Tyrrhenians? The NEC? The Third Party of Mystery??

You need

> to first figure out what you're theorizing before you start asking

more

> elaborate questions. At least with my IE-Tyrrhenian thing, I have a

fairly

> secure picture in my mind of the linguistic movements and

interactions from

> 7000 to 4000 BCE. I state my theories with affirmation so that, if

I'm

> wrong, someone will eventually smack me with some relevant data

that proves

> me otherwise.

Well, Etruscan certainly seems to have a lot to do with IE. Wouldn't
an Anatolian explanation be just as easy, though? THe Anatolian
Branch IE Speakers come in and their language combines with earlier
non-IE language related to Khattic, Hurro-Urartean and who knows what
else.
These guys wre probably already in the sea somewhat, trading in the
Aegean.

Later, these peoples get pushed out due to unfriendly conditions(Not
unlike the Phoenicians, their allies), and establish a new base for
their culture elsewhere, probably along their already established
trade routes(Iron). This culture mixes with Villanovans, and voila,
Etruscan. However, I would like to find out more about Villanovan
input. Certain mythological references point to them being pretty IE,
too(Etruscan Horned God Veltha close to Slavic and Baltic names, but
not so close to Anatolian names for horned god)as I interpret
things. If this is true, then the Etruscans could have gotten their
IE input from Villanovans rather than Anatolian speakers, or both.

-Mr. Caws
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