Re: [tied] Re: Albanian

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 6461
Date: 2001-03-08

I think I have already answered the second question: *sh2wel- is at the moment the best candidate for the ancestor of <diell>, and any alternative solution would require a root with the vowel *-e- rather than *-i:- < *-ih2-; initial *dj- would have given Albanian z-, as far as I know. It also makes sense to derive the word for "sun" from a protoword with the same meaning before we try more exotic solutions.
 
I said <thell> derived from *k^ouH-ilo-; Miguel's *k^ow-ilo- is practically the same thing (the "laryngeal" consonant *H was lost very early), though there might be subtle differences in the syllabification of the word. *k^ou- produced Proto-Albanian *tsau- > *tsa- (for convenience, *ts stands for whatever affricate consonant resulted from the modification of *k^; it is reflected as the dental fricative <th> in Modern Albanian), and the *-a- was umlauted to -e- through the influence of the *-i- in the next syllable. The unstressed syllables were eventually lost and that's how we get the output <thell>. This is a rather mechanical derivation, where regular changes as described by linguists account for each step. We know, for example, that in stressed syllables PIE *ou > Albanian a, and PIE *eu > Albanian e (e.g. in the "sea" word *dHeubeto- > *debët-
> *deët > de:t), and this regularity recurs in word after word.
<guvë> cannot derive from the same source or even from the reduced ("zero-grade") form of the root *k^euH- (i.e. *k^uH-), since there's no way to get Albanian <g-> from *k^-.
 
 
 
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From: Alvin Ekmekciu
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 1:31 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Albanian


- Could also Albanian <guv-> have derived from <*k^owilo- > from wich
"thell-" is said to have come ?
guvë = a cave smaller and less deeper than "shpellë"


- If <dit-> 'day' derives from *dih2-ti-s 'brilliance, shining' then could
even <diell-> 'sun' derive from the same root or *dje instead of *sh2ul-) >
*swel- ?