[tied] Re: Backward Etruscan

--- In cybalist@..., "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...> wrote:

>
> >Here's a nice repository for *man- words:
> >
> >http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/man.html
> >
> >Feel free to use it.
>
> Hmm, a list of *man- words is nice but if they're just lumped

together

> without understanding their connections (or lack thereof), it

doesn't get us

> very far. I never heard of Manup before but there it is. Now it's

crazy to

> assume that Austronesian has any direct relevance to IndoEtruscan

studies.

> Rather, it appears to me that the legends that we like to attribute

to

> IndoEuropeans themselves (which possibly originated from the Balkan

area

> c.6000 BCE, says me) spread out very far out into Asia and beyond,

just as

> these myths spread easily into the MiddleEast and Africa. Even the

themes

> present in the Mayan myths are terribly uncanny. They too not only

have

> "Divine Twins", called Hunahpu and Xbalanque, but they are also

heroes who

> undergo tough trials, even ending up in the underworld in Heracles-

like

> manner, born to a self-impregnated goddess a la Virgin Mary,

yadayadayada.

>
> Obviously, the IEs didn't spread all the way across the world to

dominate

> the mythological scene. Rather, I get a very strong impression that

these

> myths had been adopted with the rapid spread of agriculture, IE

being the

> "victim", as it were, of native myth displacement. Perhaps this

phenom would

> include Manup too.
>
> Now onto the ultimate meaning of IE *manus. I notice that you've

discovered

> unconsciously the connection between IE *men- and Semitic "to

count". This

> is one of those words I suspect to be loaned from Semitish into

MidIE. It

> has nothing to do with *manus though. Further, when you look at

nearby

> Etruscan, the root /man-/ appears to mean "to die" since it is

found always

> with death (Mania, Mantus, mani, etc). I think that this

Etruscan "to die"

> word is significant to understand where *manus comes from. In other

words,

> *manus literally means "mortal" or "one who dies". That's my

theory,

> anyways.
>
> - gLeN
>
>

You're right on all counts. The theory is crazy, I don't understand
the connection or lack thereof between the words and whatever
insights were in the text I was prevented from discovering since I
was unconscious when I wrote it. What would I do without your help?
As for my unconscious attempts of making sense of it all, they start
from *n-m-n- in those Cape York languages. Actually I thought of
adding the words for 'name' to the whole mélée (and I also saw
somewhere an Estonian n-m-n- word for 'person') but I shudder now to
think of what it might have done to my (non-existent) good name.

The best way to make sense of it all, I think, is to read
Oppenheimer's "Eden in the East". Also look at the bottom of the page.

What I think happened is some meteoric (or similar) event taking
place in Sundaland approx 6000 BC, leading to global melt-off and
rising waters, and the population of said land scampering about all
over the globe crying "horrible heffalump" and the like. This became
a world-religion(?) (well, a lot of similar traits, at least), since
these guys had been first-hand witnesses to the great s-naca in the
sky everyone had seen or heard (it was also the mid, or the tree),
thus spreading a lot of religio-mystico-surveyo-navigo-medico-physico-
whatever terminology (the quantum mechanics of its day).
Also, consider Polynesian <mana> for a comprehensive concept of all I
heaped up of *man-.

http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/austric.html

Torsten