--- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... wrote:
>
> Something from Galster's book that might interest also non-Danes:
>
> Saxo: Dan and Angel were the sons of a king Humbli.
>
> Roman de Brut, verse 1331: ...Humbers, roi des Hunus...
>
> The ON poem "The Battle of the Goths and Huns" describes Humli as
the
> leader of the Huns.
>
> Jordanes: Hulmul/Humal.
>
> which all seems to suggest that the Danes and the Angles at one
time
> were subjugated by the Huns.
>
> "A Frankish source" (some annal of the plunderings of the Normans
in
> France 833-896) calls their homeland "Scanzia" and states that it
is
> populated by Goths, Huns and Danes, which would suggest they are
not
> yet extinct at that time. Galster suggests a connection with the
> river Humber in England and the village of Hunsborough a few km
south
> of Northampton. Morton, writing in the 18th century, states that a
> Danish camp was situated there, therefore, presumably Huns went a-
> viking with the Danes. In 448, Priskos, a Roman emissary, was told
in
> Attila's camp in Pannonia that Attila had just added "the islands
in
> the Ocean" to his empire.
>
> Saxo: Humbli's successor was Loter, his brother.
>
> Roman sources: Attila's brother-in-law war Laudarius.
>
> "The battle of the Goths and the Huns": Hlodr is also called
> Humlungr, thus presumably Humbli's son.
>
To which he added:
Fortunatus Venantius in 580 AD praises the Frankish king Chilperik
for a victory over Danes and Thuringians.
There is an old problem of place names ending in -leben/-lev, found
all over Denmark, except Angeln, plus some places in Sweden, and in
Thuringia. This would thus be accounted for.
Whereupon I repeat myself:
Saxo book 6: (about Starcedius)
"Afterwards at Byzantium, relying on his stamina, he wrestled with
and overthrew a supposedly invincible giant, Tanna, and compelled him
to seek unknown lands {ignotas terrarum partes petere coegit} by
branding him an outlaw. As no cruelty of fate had hitherto managed to
cheat this mighty man of his conquests, he invaded Polish territory
and there fought in a duel and defeated a champion called by our
people Vaske, a name familiar to the Teutons under the different
spelling of Wilcze."
HED commentary:
The name Tanni here is probably formed from Tanais,...[the river Don]
My commentary:
In whatever poem Saxo copied from, there would have a lot of Tanna in
the accusative (since he lost, and anyway Starcedius would have been
the subject, the main character, of the poem), thus t-, not d-.
HED commentary:
Einhard (vita Caroli 12) identifies the Wilcze as a Slav people also
known as Welatabi.
The Wilcze is supposed to have lived on the river Saale, thus in
Thuringia. This might therefore be on the route of the South Danes
towards Denmark. It would also fit in with Saxo's story of Odin
passing through Saxland on his way to Denmark.
Galster, BTW, identifies Beowulf's geats with Alfred's South Danes.
> Torsten