Re: [tied] Ingvar and Ivar

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 6141
Date: 2001-02-15

What precisely is the etymology of Ingvar and similar names, anyway? Ing (*ingwaz) the fertilty god is no doubt the first element, as in Ingulf, Ingjald or Ingvald (*ingwa-wulfa-, *ingwa-gilda-, *ingwa-walda-), but sometimes the final element is too strongly reduced to be easily identifiable. Ing(v)ard could be equally well either *ingwa-xarda- (Ing-hard) or *ingwa-warda- (Ing-ward). Is the second element of Ingvar *wara- 'watchful' (English aware, ON varr)? It may be -- rather plausibly, I think -- but how can one establish it with certainty if more transparent early forms are not directly attested? I've seen other proposals, including less believable ones, in serious dictionaries.
 
Question two: Is Ivar a variant of Ingvar or an independent name? I've also seen Igvar (which looks like a compromise between the two) used as a first name, and several English placenames suggest Anglo-Danish *Inwar. Igvar, if attested during the Viking Age, would have been a good prototype for Igor. Proper names often develop irregularly, and in particular they may be shortened in strange ways. However, Ivar/Iver is often explained as *i:wa-harja- (*i:waz = ON ýr 'yew > shooting bow', *harjaz 'troop, army'), and if this etymology is correct, it has nothing to do with Ingvar. I admit I'm a little at a loss here. Does anyone out there know more about Ingvar and Ivar?
 
Piotr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Sergejus Tarasovas
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 5:45 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Language - Area - Routes

*Iggvars fits pefectly as well. I'm not sure about E Scandinavian
form, but if it cointains -n- (something like Ingv-) it should be
banned immediately - it had to yield Old Russian **E,gorI, Russ.
**JagorI - nonexistent forms. Besides, Old Russian IgorI and IngUvarI
were consistently treated as being different (one prince of the same
family at the same time could bear the name of IgorI, while another -
IngUvarI). Two different sources?

[in a later posting Sergei corrected "IngUvarI" to InUgvarI -- PG]