From: tgpedersen@...
Message: 6104
Date: 2001-02-14
--- In cybalist@..., S.Tarasovas@... wrote:
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> From that we can see, at last, that the Torsten and I argued beside
the point: he stated that Saxo mentions Danes' activities in Dnieper
basin, which seemes to be right (it doesn't mean Saxo mentions real
things yet), I stated that proper Rutenians were 100% not Slavs (and
therefore not Ukrainians) at the time events which Saxo describes
took place (the first half of the 1st millenium), and this seems to
be right as well.
>
> At last, after a profound reflexion on all that :)) I would like to
propose the following theory:
> The mentioned part of today's West Ukraine was called VelynI in Old
Russian and Wol/yn' in Polish. One of the most prominent cities of
VolynI was Galic^I (Old Russian), Ga'litza (Medieval Greek), hence
Ukr. Galic^ina', Medieval Latin Galicia as a second and later name of
this country. There are no plausible etymologies for these two
toponyms, but both of them strongly associate with some Celtic
ethonyms (Wel-, Gal- etc.). What if the remnants of the former
*Celtic* (not Germanic or Slavic) substratum existed in this part of
Carpathian mountains up to the arrival of Slavs? What if these Celtic
people were relatives of those Gallican Ruthenians and even
designated themselves with the same name? What if this name (as is
often the case) was mechanically transfered to local branch of
(future) East Slavs (as High German did), which gave medieval
chronists occasion to extend it to the East Slavs in general, even
those, who lived in the basin of Dnieper far away from the Carpathian
mountains (as Saxo did)?
>
> Sergei.
And what do you make of Lat-gal- and Sem-gal- then?
Talking about Celtic splinter groups: It seems from Alfred the
Great's verion of Orosius that that at his time Northern Jutland
(noth of a line approx Ringkøbing-Horsens was in the hands of neither
North or South Danes, judging by the name of the "syssel"s, south of
the line having names of forests, north of it having names of peoples
(Wendlæ-sysæl, Himbær-sysæl, Harthe-sysæl etc). In Danish, the number
system is based on twenties:
halvtreds(indstyve) 50 (half three times twenty)
tres(indstyve) 60 (three times twenty)
halvfjerds(indstyve) 70 (half four times twenty)
firs(indstyve) 80 (four times twenty)
halvfems(indstyve) 90 (half five times twenty)
Two things are generally known about this particularly Danish (and
Faroese) system: It is assumed to be Celtic, and it started in
Jutland. Suppose the Cimbri (Himbær-sysæl) were Celtic, did they
still speak Celtic by then?
Torsten