Re: [tied] Re: Language - Area - Routes

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 6039
Date: 2001-02-11

Sve:naldr < *svein-vald- 'commander of young men'. The problem with potential Rugian etymologies is that the attested names make perfectly good sense in terms of a rather late ("Viking Age") stage of North Germanic; sometimes they even show distinctively Swedish features. The Rugians mentioned by Jordanes lived several hundred years earlier and it's most unlikely that their language should have developed a whole complex of Old-Norse-like features independently. Perhaps a residual Rugian group had migrated to the Novgorod area to become linguistically absorbed by the Swedish colonisers while retaining a separate name and identity, but that's becoming rather speculative without good linguistic evidence that the Rus were anything else but Scandinavian. Besides, the "oarsmen" etymology of the Rus is rather convincing, and Finnish Ruotsi 'Sweden' mustn't be ignored. If there were bitterly competing groups of Scandinavian businessmen in northern Russia at an early date, they were perhaps the Svear vs. Gotlanders.
 
Piotr
 
 
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Subject: [tied] Re: Language - Area - Routes

One more spelling is Sve^naldU. I just discovered this name is mentioned by Vasmer - he refers to Tosen's explanation: Old Norse Sveinaldr. Young men's what?

On the other hand, my point of course was not that these names can't be etymologized on an Old Norse basis. But what do we know about the language of Rugi? How can it be classified (North, West, East Germanic)? What if Rugian etymologies, if we only could develop them, would have suited even better?