Re: Language - Area - Routes

--- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., "Rex H. McTyeire" <rexbo@...> wrote:
> > I have to favor Piotr on these points, which have been discussed
> here in
> > detail in the past with Mark Odegard also contributing. I don't
> think you
> > will find any simultaneity of the discussed events. 5500 BC is

as

> solid a
> > date as we can expect for the period relative to the Black Sea
> rise, and
> > even if you could get as reliable a date for Sundaland..it would

be

> off. (2
> > and a half, to at least one half millennium using your dates.)
> Piotr is
> > correct that the proposed mechanics of the Black Sea fill include

a

> > relatively sudden breach of a significant geobarrier, following
> the gradual
> > (centuries?) sea level increases in the Med/Aegean.
> >
> > See Ryan and Pittman, Columbia University - 1997. Also see:

Cornell

> > University Dendrochronology Project.
> > Mediterranean into the Black Sea ca. 5500 BCE.
> > and another significant subsidence (Dendrochronology attested)
> after 2715
> > +/- 10 years
> http://www.arts.cornell.edu/dendro/98news/98adplet.html
> > (an old link, but will get you to index)
> >
> > See also: Toby Harnden, Robert Ballard re the mollusc evidence,
> radiacarbon
> > dating salt water molluscs, also supporting 5,500 BCE as the

Black

> Sea fill
> > date.
> >
> > Cu Stima;
> > Rex H. McTyeire
> > Bucharest, Romania
> > <rexbo@...>
>
> I never questioned the dating of the Black Sea event.
> Oppenheimer: "Eden in the East" quotes Fletcher &

Sherman: "Submerged

> Shorelines on O'ahu, Hawaii: Archive of Episodic Transgression

During

> the Deglaciation?" in Journal of Coastal Research, Special Issue

no.

> 17, 1995, pp 141-52 : "possibly the single largest flood of the

[past

> two million years]" of an event 8000 years ago.
>

The first date I gave for the last sea level rise was wrong, period.
For the second date, may I quote Oppenheimer (p. 35):
"At a meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of
Science in 1995 on sea-level changes in the recent geological past,
several participants working in places as widely separated as
Greenland, the North Atlantic and Denmark reported a major event
roughly 8000 years ago. The Danish work suggested 'A rapid sea-level
rise (25 m), then a similar drop centered at 8000 B.P. at 8-15 cm/yr'"
The "Danish work" is in:
American Association of Petroleum Geologists, Bulletin, 1995, 79/10,
p. 1568.

> Torsten