Re: [tied] Re: Poets, linguists and countrymen. Lend me your ears...

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 5753
Date: 2001-01-24

I'm still thinking of these names. I don't think that the form *perunU can be of Baltic origin. How would you get from Perku:nas to Perun?. I agree one would expect inherited Slavic **perUnU/*perynjI < *peruno-/*peru:n-jo- (given the known IE models), but the suffix *-un-U is Slavic and produces deverbal agent nouns (Polish biegun 'runner, [formerly:] courser, fugitive', piastun 'caregiver'); *per-un-U may therefore be a folk-etymological rationalisation of unanalysable **perUnU as 'he that strikes' (= lightning personified).
 
Baltic Perku:nas is routinely explained as *perkWu-h1n-o- 'he of the oak' (thus also in the EIEC), but something of this kind could at most be true of its Germanic counterpart *fergu:na-, as *perkW-u- 'oak' and its non-theonymic derivatives seem to be completely absent from Balto-Slavic. A very ancient western cultural loan into Baltic would account for Perku:nas.
 
A new thought has just occurred to me. What do mountains have in common with oaks? They are big. Hittite parku- means 'high, tall'. I've seen it etymologised in various ways, but why nor simply *prkW-ú-, hence the noun *perkW-u- '*tall tree, oak' and the Germanic "mountain" word (Gothic ferguni, OE firgen). I wonder if there is any good evidence for the *kW at all. What about reconstructing simply *prk-ú-, *perk-u-s, *perk-u:n(j)o-?
 
I suspect *perk(W)u:nos (_not **perkWnos, Glen!_) was once a North European oak/mountain deity who came to be confused with *perunos the rock/thunder(?) deity and merged his functions with the latter's. The merger of deities because of their similar-sounding names is nothing unusual; it happened to the West Germanic counterparts of Frigg and Freyja, for example.
 
Piotr
 
 
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From: Sergejus Tarasovas
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Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 8:05 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Poets, linguists and countrymen. Lend me your ears...

Possessives like Slavic *Peryn'I 'of PerunU'(<*peru_n-i-) look like vrddhization of **PerUnU, not PerunU. In my opinion, this deity (at least his name) was rather borrowed by Slavs from Balts than constitute their common IE inheritage.