Re: [tied] Re: Cymry

----- Original Message -----

From: João Simões Lopes Filho

To: cybalist@egroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:52 AM

Subject: Re: [tied] Re: etruscan

No, the root is the same as in Latin margo:/marginis and Germanic *mark- 'boundary'. I don't know why it appears as seemingly metathesised *mrog- in Celtic (if there is a known reason, Chris will certainly enlighten us), but the meaning is the same: OIr mruig 'border' < *mrog-i-. The cluster *mr- gives Gaulish and Brythonic (and later Irish) *br- (Gaulish brogae 'field', Welsh bro 'land, region'). Ethnic and geographical names with Celtic *-mrog-/*-brog- and Germanic *-mark- can be regarded as parallel (cf. Gaulish Allobroges, Runic aljamarkiR, literally 'foreigner').

 

Piotr

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Gwinn <sonno3@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: etruscan


(...)
> is realized that if Cymry was genuinely ancient, we should expect the
modern
> form to be *Cyfry instead (following the rule that *kom- becomes ko-
> before -m-).

Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology points cymry < *com-brogi <
*com-mrog-;
so, m < mb, right?