Re: [tied] Re: etruscan

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 5371
Date: 2001-01-08

No, perhaps I didn't express myself clearly enough. The only area where *da:nu- still meant 'river' about the time when the Germanic languages were formed was the Iranian-speaking or Iranian-influenced lands. The historical river Tanais was of course the Don, and Danastris was the Dniester, both running where expected. If the Danes were to have received their name from the Don or the like, you'd have to explain how they ended up as one of the North Germanic tribes.
 
A new thought: the river name Tanew in SE Poland MIGHT suggest that the earliest Germani preserved the IE term *da:nu- (VERY speculative, this, but not impossible); on the other hand, Tana(w)i- can't be their translation of the Iranian name of the Don -- it's simply too old (Herodotus, ca. 440 BC), and the vocalism doesn't quite work. Germanic is not the only group with a Grimmian phonation-mode shift (Armenian is another, and some people think Thracian or "Cimmerian", whatever the latter really was, had something like it too).
 
At the other end of Indo-Europia, *da:nu- occurs as a river-naming element in the parts of Europe settled by the Celts; *Da:neu-jo-s 'the (Upper) Danube' is of course the most celebrated example. No matter how old this element is, it would't work as the etymological source of *Dani- -- a badly matching root vowel, a different stem-termination -- not enough substance for an argument one might wish to invest much enthusiasm in.
 
Piotr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Torsten Pedersen
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 1:08 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: etruscan

If my memory serves me right, one of the IE groups that preserves
*danu- (occurring not just in "Don" but in "Dniepr" and "Dniestr"
too) is Indo-Iranian, and they were present in the vicinity.
You assume that by "Tanais" Pytheas means Jutland.