Re: [tied] More on the crummy sanguis/asrk connection

From: Glen Gordon
Message: 5058
Date: 2000-12-14

>>/asrk/. Whatever. Point is, the -k/-j- (which would be IE -*g^)
>
>Actually, it could be *k^, *g^, *g^h, *k, *g, *gh, *kw, *gw or *ghw.

Well, isn't that convenient for someone who wishes to connect the word to
everything under the sun. This is not what Burrow was saying, but whatever
makes you happy.

>>Nothing here is substantiable within the context of known IE >>grammar.
>
>Known by you, perhaps. Lat. <sanguis>, <sanguinis> is obviously an
>-en-derivative from the *oblique* stem of *h1�sh2rgw. That is,
>*h1sh2�ngw- + -en-. Cf. a similar case in inguen, inguinis "groin"
>from *neghwr, *nghwen- "kidney, testicle" (Grk. thematized <nephros>,
>OHG <nioro>, n-derivation from the non-oblique stem).

Come now, Miguel. Known by who aside from you? I will ask yet again: "What
on earth is this suffix for??" If you can't explain it, then admit your
inadequacy instead of stalling and confusing the debate.

There are large fifty-mile leaps from /asser/ to **/sen/ to /sanguis/. While
/asser/ and /sanguis/ are recorded, an intermediate word like **/sen/ is
nowhere to be seen on any written document, Latin or otherwise. This in
itself is a giant problem. Even if it were existent, the purpose for the
**-K- suffix is also lacking, making the solution entirely inconsiderable.

I will restate: An inanimate form like *sengWu (from verb *sengW- "to fall")
would make for a simpler and less convoluted solution since no intermediate
word is necessary and it's derivation from *sengW- is validly compatible
with the definition & behaviour of this word. Sanskrit /-k/ in /asrk/ has
its own solution within the context of that language itself and is totally
meaningless for IE reconstruction. So is the secondary -t- in Greek
heteroclitic declension. You are very confused, my friend.

Why don't you give up this battle? There's no shame in losing but there is
shame in holding on to the thin thread of irrational ideas, ist es nicht
wahr?

- gLeN

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