Re: [tied] PIE dorsals

I mean Indic velars (which typically derive from IE labiovelars, which is why Beekes puts it that way). After Sanskrit s' the normal vowel colour is naturally /i(:)/, as in your example. Kurylowicz discussed this problem (and also its B-Sl analogue) in several publications. There are some messy-looking cases, e.g. giri- 'hill' (Slavic *gUrbU 'hump' : Lith. giria 'mountain'), evidently with an umlaut-like adjustment of reduced-grade vowels.

Examples like Lat. calx, Lith. kulnas, Bulg. kUlka show that the B-Sl zero grade -Ul- can occur after "Schrijver velars" and so cannot be taken as a sure indication of PIE *KW. Compare also Slavic *kUrvU 'ox', *sIrna 'female roe-deer', both from *k^rh2- 'horn'. The unsatemised consonant enforces -Ur-.

Piotr

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>>*k'e > Latin >ce<, whereas plain *ke > ca. >Looks interesting. I'll think about it. Where did Schrijver publish it? P Schrijver 1991 the Reflexes of the PIE Laryngeals in Latin (Amsterdam / Atlanta GA). I'll need to get back to you on the guru thing. I think there are other alleged examples, though I'm not on top of the details. I do, however, note an exception to what you say: s'i:rs,n-as "head" < *k'rh2sn-os ~ Greek kra:ata Here RH > i:r, not u:r after the velar. According to Beekes, RHC > Skt u:rC near labials, labiovelars, m, w. (in Bammesberer, die Laryngaltheorie, 1988). There is no mention of velars. Peter.