Re: [tied] gwen etymology

On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 15:07:17 -0600, Eris <eris@...> wrote:

>At 21:29 12/3/00 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Bulgarian/Polish/Slovak/Serbo-Croatian/Slovene/Cze
>> >ch/Ukrainian/Russian
>> > z'ena woman
>> >Sorbian (Wendish) z'ona woman
>>
>> Polish is <z.ona> too.
>
>
>z.ona too as in it's z.ena as well, or just z.ona? Also, is the z./z' supposed
>to be a "zh" sound? If not, what is the marking for?

Answered (I meant: "just /z^ona/ as in Sorbian too"). The only thing
Piotr forgot to mention that the dot is actually on top of the <z>.

>> >Armenian kin/gin woman/wife
>>
>> (With oblique form kanay-).
>
>Does that mean the kin (or gin?) form is in the nominative and kanay- is
>another case(s)?

Not quite. Greek <gunaik-> had reminded me of the Armenian plural
forms, but I forgot to mention the real oblique stems. The full
paradigm in Classical Armenian is:

sg. pl.
Nom kin kanay-k`
Acc ,, kanay-s
Loc kn-oj^ ,,
Gen/Dat ,, kanan-c`
Abl kn-oj^e: ,,
Ins kanam-b kanam-bk`

(<j^> = /dz^/, English <j>; <e:> = closed /e/, from *ei; <k`> =
aspirated /k/, as in English [<k> itself is unaspirated, glottalized];
<c`> = aspirated /ts/).

There are actually 4 stems: kin- (< *gwen-), kn- (< *gun- < *gwn-),
kanan- (*gwnh2(a)n-), and kanay- (< *gwnh2(a)i-). [Reconstructions
mine, so beware. Nobody can hold all the Armenian soundlaws in one's
head simultaneously...]

>> What's PDE? Proletarian Democratic English? Post-Darwinian English?
>
>LOL, sorry. I meant "Present-Day English"... i.e., Modern English.

It hit me right after hitting the "send" button.

>> Were you looking in a dictionary/wordlist arranged by Devnagri order?
>> If so, J comes between CH and JH (or Ñ, more likely).
>
>I have no idea what kind of order they were in, but the dicts I was looking in
>had G, then a couple letters, then GH, then a couple letters, then G and GH
>again, or something of the sort.

Curious. I'm not terribly familiar with the history of the
transcription of the Devana:gari: script. Maybe it was an older
source with something like K KH G GH NG K^ K^H G^ G^H N^...

>> <Jáni-> means "wife". It has irregular N. <jáni:> (besides <jánih.>)
>
>What do you mean by "irregular N"?

Nominative. G. is Genitive.


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