Re: [tied] IE *-su and the Nostratic "equational" marker *-n :)

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 4768
Date: 2000-11-17

It's a formalist expectation, Miguel. IE inflections don't conform to this kind of agglutinative logic -- Loc.pl. is not necessarily Loc. + pl. or pl. + Loc. Plurality makes new spacial configurations possible: tree-Loc.sg. typically means "in a tree" or "under a tree", while tree-Loc.pl. may be, say, "among trees". This may make all the difference in the world if some of the locative forms derive from postpositional phrases.
 
However, *-i does occur with *-su in the thematic declension (*wlkWo-i-su). This suggests that *wlkWoi is the locative proper, while *-su is a postposition. Greek *-si is clearly secondary, formed as if to gratify your insistence that the Loc.pl. "should also have *-i". Its late origin and analogical spread squares well with its untypical occurrence after vowels and sonorants in the Dat./Loc.pl. of most declensions. Cf. the spread of Lithuanian locatives in -e (pl. -s-e) < *-en.
 
As the locative of *-i/*-u stems (and often of consonantal stems) is endingless, the Loc.pl. in *-su could be analysed -- rather conjecturally, I admit -- as a zero-ending locative plus *-su.
 
Piotr
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] IE *-su and the Nostratic "equational" marker *-n :)

On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 05:24:55 GMT, "Glen Gordon"
<glengordon01@...> wrote:

>Oh Miguel, are you not aware of T. Burrow and "The Sanskrit Language"? If I
>remember correctly, his analysis of *-su is that it simply derives from the
>plural ending *-es plus *-u, a "locative" suffix that arose purely by
>analogy from *u-terminating collective inanimates plus the fact that many
>adverbs, enclitics and the like, which end in *-u (or for that matter *-i as
>in *bhi or *dhi) just happen to have a locative sense attributed to them.

Of course I'm aware of that.  I just don't agree.  The loc. sg. has
*-i, so the loc.pl. should also have *-i.  There's nothing "plural"
about the deictic *-u as opposed to *-i.