Re: [tied] s > Hungarian zs, Polish z., Czech z^

Elisabeth : Hungarian Erzsebet
Balthasar : Hg. Boldizsar
Blasius (Blaise) : Hg. Balazs
Eusebius : Hg. O"zseb
Rose : Hg. Rozsa Cz. Rozâ, Roza Pol. Ro:z.a
Moses : Hg. Mo:zes Cz. Mojz^is^ Pol. Mojz.esz
Sigmund: Hg. Zsigmond
Esauh: Hg. E:zsau
This s > z > z^ occurs in Hungarian and influenced other languages?
Occurs in some Germanic dialect? Some Italian dialect?
In Polish, Czech and Hungrian the ending -(i)us appears sometimes as -(i)us
or -(i)us^. Maybe orthographical variations.
-s->-z- is typical of Western Latin languages, cf. Theresa /Tereza/, Rosa
/Roza/

Joao SL
Rio

----- Original Message -----
From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <mcv@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] s > Hungarian zs, Polish z., Czech z^


> On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:16:19 +0100, "Piotr Gasiorowski"
> <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> >The replacement of /s, z/ by Hungarian s, zs /S, Z/ is the rule in early
loanwords (iskola <-- schola,), now the pattern is different (szemeszter,
zoológia). The reason must be sought in early Hungarian phonetics -- a
subject I know little about.
>
> That's what I always imagined, but apparently this is not so. In his
> excellent treatment of the "Historical Phonology of the Uralic
> Languages", Pekka Sammallahti (in: Sinor, ed. "The Uralic Languages",
> 1988) makes it quite clear that PUgr. *s > Hung /s/ (<sz>), while
> Hung. /S/ (<s>) derives from PUgr. *c^. The one, minor, exception is
> *sk > *s^.
>
> There must be some other reason, but I can't imagine what it'd be
> (some Southern German orthographical oddity?).
>
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