Re: Wine

Glen wrote

> Hey, here's a scary thought... What if Miguel is partially right?

What if

> the "wine" word is not exactly IE but rather ultimately Tyrrhenian?
> Tyrrhenian would be a protolanguage _related_ to IE, the parent

language of

> Etruscan, Rhaetic and Lemnian. I position Tyrrhenian on my website's
> linguistic map within the Balkans around 6000 BCE. We could

speculate a

> Tyrrhenian protoform *wei-na meaning exactly the same thing as

Miguel

> explains for IE *weino-. All Tyrrhenian words would have initial

stress

> accent and *e would have been pronounced as a schwa (as would have

been the

> case for Early and Mid IE).
>
> In this scenario, there would even be valid derivatives like

*weina-kWe

> (*-kWe is related to the similar IE suffix and ultimately an

attached

> relative pronoun similar to the English suffix "-like"). So

*weinakWe would

> have the immediate meaning of "wine-like", "wine-related",

"wine-coloured",

> but probably used as a word for "grapes". The words would be

borrowed by

> surrounding languages like IE (hence *weino-) and also into the

nearby

> Semitish language stationed in West Anatolia (*wainu "wine",

*wainaqu

> "grape"). Via this language, we might attribute Kartvelian *wenaq-

"grape"

> and Semitic *wainu "wine".

Aha! Glen, the beginnings of Wisdom. The Vavilhov zone for Grapes
was Anatolia! And the spread does not have to be to Semitish in
Anatolia, but to genuine Semitic in Syro-Palestine circa 5,500 BCE.

Regards

John