Re: [tied] Hugh Capet.

From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 4647
Date: 2000-11-12

I;m just using the info of genealogy books. Obviously, this info could be wrong, because many old families claimed to be descendant of bastards of royal linneages. My line came through Robert l'Ancien - Constance de Bourgogne - Tareja - king Afonso Henriques of Portugal - Teresa Afonso (bastard) - Urraca Sanches - Mendo de Souza - Urraca Mendes de Souza - Ruy Nunez  de Guzman, and continues through family Guzman, going to Argentina, Uruguay and ending in S Brazil.
I'd like to point out that I'm not elitist, I'm just like genealogy. For me it doesnt matter if my ancestor was a king or a shoemaker.
My line is not masculine, so it cannot be trackable. But it will be very useful to analyze genetically the old lines of noble families.
 
Joao SL
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From: Mark Odegard
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 1:50 AM
Subject: [tied] Hugh Capet.

From: João Simões Lopes Filho

Hugh is my ancestor...
An extremely interesting experiment would be to test the genealogically attested descendants of Hugh Capet, in the direct male line (including acknowledged bar sinisters). There would of course be some suprises, but it is certain we would get a snapshot of HC's Y-chromosome. I wonder what Luis Alfonso (by primogeniture, the (legitimate) heir-male of HC) and the rest of the Capet clan would say to such a request.
 
Mark.
Umm. Hugh Capet has lots of direct-male-line descendants, and that's the point of this posting.
 
I do wonder which side of the blanket Joao makes his claim, but this is a rude question unless it's a many-generations-removed sort of thing. Acknowledged royal/imperial bastards do have a certain status.
We are speaking of direct father-to-son-to-son ... descent: pure Y-chromosome.
 
I do know considerably something about European definitions of royal-noble-etc qualifications.
 
I won't ask if Joao is properly allowed to be called a Bourbon.
 
So, Joao. How do you think Luis Alfonso responds to the demand that you and he give blood to prove your descent from Hugh Capet?