Re: [tied] Artemis and the Bear (long)

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From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal

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Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 11:44 PM

Subject: Re: [tied] Artemis and the Bear (long)

*-wa: and *-twa: are rather common suffixes, resulting at least partly from the a:-thematicisation of feminines in *-(t)u-. I'm not sure how irs^tva should be cut up, but I think it might be related to Polish warstwa 'layer' < *vUrstva; both nouns are derivable from *rk^t-u- or *rk^t-tu- > *rk^stu-.

 

I wonder if the Kartvelian word might not be connected with PIE *tasku- 'badger', reconstructed mainly on Germanic and Celtic evidence, but possibly attested in Anatolian as well.

 

Piotr

 

 

 

I wrote:

>And don't forget Hittite hartaggas/hartkas. The protoform is actually
>*xrtkos with a nil-grade initial syllable, visible in the Latin and
>Sanskrit forms. Another likely cognate is Lithuanian irs^tva 'bear's lair'.

Miguel wrote:

Interesting.  What's the origin of the /-va/: a suffix?

I ask because a /w/ also appears in the Kartvelian borrowing (Alexis
Manaster-Ramer, p.c.) *das^tw- "bear", which could well be from IE
*r.k^t-os (just like we have *ok^th3- "8" --> PK *os^txw- "4").

On the other periphery of IE, Basque borrowed <hartz> "bear" from
Celtic *artos.