Re: [tied] Re: Euxine Event.; DOGS

From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 4118
Date: 2000-10-04

I've ever think how the understanding about dogs races evolution would be so useful to understand IE migration. What kinds of dogs the IE people carried with them? The wolfish shepherd-dogs? The molossoid mastiffs? The bracoid bloodhound-like races? The fox-like spitz?
 
A good article about dog genetic evolution is at SCIENCE vol 276 13-jun-1997; "MULTIPLE and ANCIENT ORIGINS OF THE DOMESTIC DOG"( Vilà, C., et alii)
The study analyzed the haplotypes of circa 20 races of dogs and 20 wolves from different places and divided them in 4 groups:
I
the main group, including only dogs
II
derived from Greek and Italian wolves, this one include only the haplotype D8 (present in Sandinavian Elghund and Jämthund)
III
derived from Arabian wolves, include the haplotypes D7 (present in Siberian Husky, Alaskan Malamute, Giant Schnauzer, Jamthund, Airedale Terrier, West Highland White Terrier and German Shepherd), D19 (present in German Shepherd) and D21 (present in Mexican hairless dog)
IV
derived from Greek, Russian and Romanian wolves, this include the haplotypes D10 (present in Wire-haired Dachshund and Flat-Coated Retriever), D24 (present in Golden Retriever) and D6/W6 (present in Romanian and Russian wolves, and in Mexican hairless, German Shepherd, Golden Retriever, Basset, Bulldog, Belgian Groenendael, Afghanhound, Maremman, Otterhound, Toy Poodle, Irish Water Spaniel and Tibetan Spaniel)
 
It's important to note that any race can have many different haplotypes. The split in 4 groups may point to four different domestications. A strong mystery to me is the origin of Aztecan races like Chihuahua and Hairless dog (Xolotzcuintl): did they come from North American wolves? From China? Egypt? Atlantis?
 
Joao SL
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2. Secondly on the basis of the genetics of the dog.  North East
Asian dog breeds are all derived from the dogs of Northern Iran. 
European and Pontic dogs are all derived from the breeds of Anatolia
and the Balkans.  One would expect that a mesolithic "Steppe"
Proto
Indo-European language group travelling into the Pontic Steppe as a
mesolithic culture would have brought their dogs with them.  This is
exactly what happened – the mesolithic cultures of Central Asia
brought their bows and their dogs with them from Iran.  The Proto-
Indo-European cultures of the Pontic Steppe brought their mesolithic
bows and dogs with them from the Balkans.