I (gLeNny) write to the horror of John attributing Sumerians with the
foundations of astrology:
>The Sumerians! Hahahahahahaha... you've officially gone off the
>deep end, my friend. You are the one saying that the Sumerians were
> >affected by the Ubaid culture, derivative of the northern Halaf >culture,
>which we both agreed were Caucasic-speaking farmers.
John, in response:
>What! Glen, agreeing to Proto-Euphratean? I don't believe it!
Oh, please, John. For the record, as I've mentioned before, I personally
feel that the cosmo-mythological associations such as the seven astral
bodies (*Sab`itum "the Seven") figured in MiddleEastern belief go back to
the remote prehistoric, arising with the invention of agriculture in what
appears to be a Caucasic speaking region. The belief would later be infused
with European views at around 7000 BCE.
In contrast, you just clearly stated already that Sumerians were the
originators, and now you're saying Proto-Euphrateans. I'm not playing
mind-games with you, John. Figure out what your viewpoint is and THEN start
a mature discussion.
>Some archaeologists see some elements of Samara culture in Hadji
>Muhammed and Eridu phases, and it is generally accepted that Samara
>ware derived from the pre-Halaf Hassuna culture. This is the level
>of proto-Euphratean (your Caucasic farmers). Once farming
>settlements included Bahrein within their orbt, Sumerians would have
>been present.
So be it. Tomatoe/Toe-mah-tah. Regardless, my viewpoint remains that the
native Sumerians cannot be seen as the originators of this
cosmo-mythological belief system.
- gLeN
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