Re: [tied] Re: Non-IE elements in Scandinavian

What other words have come down to us from Pictish?.Maphan sounds like
Welsh to me.
Catherine

Christopher Gwinn wrote:

>
>
> >Vennemann identifies the Picts (who survived in Scotland until the mid-9th
> century) >as the last Atlantic speakers. I'm not sure what his exact dates
> for Norway would be, >but his articles seem to suggest that Atlantic
> speakers were an adstrate to >Germanic-speaking Scandinavians almost down to
> historical times.
> >
>
> I really don't understand why people insist that Pictish was pre-Indo
> European. There is absolutely nothing that I have seen in the pitifully few
> Pictish words that we have (such as Pictish maphan "boy" = Old Welsh map) to
> suggest that the language was anything other than a P-Celtic Brythonic
> language with an odd orthography.
>
> Why does Venemann believe Pictish is Pre-PIE - what is his actual evidence?
>
> -C. Gwinn