Re: [tied] Re: Some Ideas for Nostratic Mythology... 1) The Fall of

From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 3764
Date: 2000-09-16

OK, but even folk stories can represent archaic legends...

Joao SL
Rio
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From: John Croft <jdcroft@...>
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Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 11:22 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: Some Ideas for Nostratic Mythology... 1) The Fall of the
Great Goddess


>
> Joao you wrote
>
> > 1) THEME ONE: THE FALL OF THE GREAT GODDESS
> >
> > Abstract: A couple of gods live in harmony. The Goddess died while
> giving birth to some angry deity. The Goddess went to Underworld. The
> God wants to rescue her, and go after her. The God doesn't get to
> rescue her, because The Great Heavenly Goddess became some kind of
> Underworld she-Demon.
> >
> > Sources:
> > Orpheus and Eurydike (Greece)
> > Demeter and Persephone (Greece) note: changed from "God rescuing
> Goddess" to "Mother rescuing Daughter"
> > Adam and Lilith (Israel) note: Lilith was expelled from Eden.
> Angels tried to take her back, but she became a demoness.
> > Loth and his wife (Israel) note: My idea is that Sodomah was a
> version of the Hell. Loth try to save his wife from "Hell", but she
> was turned into a salt statue.
> > Izanagi and Izanami (Japan)
> > Osiris and Isis (Egypt) note: changed from "God rescuing Goddess"
> to "Goddess rescuing God"
> > Lemminkainen and his mother (Finland) note: changed from "God
> rescuing Goddess" to "Mother rescuing son"
>
> You could add Inanna's descent to Ereshkigal and her rescue by Enki.
>
> I think though you are in danger of doing what Glen always accuses me
> of doing. Religious or mythological elements vary independently of
> linguistic ones. Cult symbols can easily travel acriss linguistic
> boundaries. Look at the spread of the Peyote cult or Ghost Dance
> throughout native North America for instance. To find elements like
> this repeated in many cultures is not to say they originated in
> Nostratic. It could really be an origin much later and the spread
> throughout a large region via religious missionaries, traders,
> travelling shaman, wandering storytellers and entertainers of all
> kinds. Just look at the way that the story of Peredur, became
> Parzival in the Middle Ages for intance, from Welsh to Breton, to
> French, to German and even in Italian and English. Not an ancient IE
> myth here folks, just the spread of a popular story.
>
> Regards
>
> John
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