From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 3711
Date: 2000-09-14
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From: Glen Gordon <glengordon01@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Achilles.
>
>
> Joao:
> > I would include Akhiles (son of a sea-nymph). .
>
> Mark O:
> >Achilles does indeed seem to have some motifs associated with >the 'child
> >of the waters'. He stands before the water and importunes >his divine
> >parent, and receives a 'garment' from her (in this case, a >wonderful set
> >of new armor). And yes, he is presented as the greatest >of the heros.
> >Theseus gets a garment too. In the Odyssey, whenever >Odysseus takes a
> >bath, the goddess or her representative is almost >always present, and
> >Odysseus gets a garment.
>
> Hmm, Achilles is definitely a composite character... but of what exactly?
> Since Achilles is a warrior all decked up in armor, it makes sense that
> underneath it all, there is an element of the Underworld in him. The
> Underworld is associated with the warrior caste and water.
>
> On the other hand, could it be possible that the "vulnerable heel" story,
> that comes along with the Achilles package, was originally related to
*Yemos
> and *Manus, the Horse Twins? The way this scenario would go is the
> following:
>
> The Sun Maiden gives birth to Man and Twin. Man is a hunter and Twin is a
> gatherer (cf. Cain/Abel). After their birth, the Sun Maiden being a
> protective mother implores all living creatures not to harm them. What she
> doesn't take into account however is Man's own jealousy of Twin. Although
> the two were protected from everything else, they weren't protected from
> each other. Thus Twin (cf. Achilles) gets killed off by something ironic
and
> unconsiderable - in this case, his own twin brother. So Man kills Twin
with
> an arrow and Twin lies dead, becoming the earth and god of the dead.
Because
> of Man's devilish act, Man and his offspring are sentenced by the gods to
> live limited mortal lives on earth telling silly little stories about gods
> that never existed. The End.
>
> Does everyone like that little story? :) In this case, Achilles might have
a
> bit of Underworld/Warrior in him but he may also have a bit of "Man" in
him
> as well. Hell, I'm starting to think that this so-called *Tritos (Indic
> Trita Aptya) doesn't really exist in IE mythos. Perhaps he's in reality
> *(Xeryo-)Manus, our great ancestor who after his naughty little homocide,
> was forced or felt compelled to do "community service" in order to
re-attain
> immortality (cf Heracles).
>
> - gLeN
>
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