Re: [tied] Re: Religion

John:

>If this is true, then I would suggest that the core IE divinities
>people are talking about occurred in IE AFTER the Anatolians split
>and moved south, not earlier. This is far too late for Glen's
>hypothesis of the mystical Semitish, I know, but it fits the
>archaeology of the middle east far better, and explains what we know
>about mythological developments at the transition between the Bronze
>and Iron Ages more clearly.

But how do we know whether the Hittite's simply lost much of their religious
ideas to the Hurrians or not? This above quote of yours seems like a "leap
of faith", as it were. :)

Secondly, it becomes harder to understand and explain why the IE language
(INCLUDING Anatolian) has Semitic words that could only have been introduced
BEFORE 4000 BCE or so. Further IE *Dye:us "Sky" appears to share the same
verbal root as Etruscan Tin "Day", all from *t:ei-
"to shine" (IE dei-). To sum up, language, archaeology and mythology are all
showing a distinctly Semitoid influence. Let's not beat around the bush.


Glen (ME):

>Approximately, yes, but not all at the same time - there were
>phases. It all happened between 7000 BCE and 5500 BCE with two main
> >epicenters of mythological interaction. More later.

John:

>If I am right, Glen, then it occurred much later than 7000 BCE and
>5500 BCE as a general rule. The period 5,500 BCE is late neolithic,
>at best in the Pontic realm. Chalcolithic cultures were just
>appearing in the Middle East and Old European realm at this period.
>Certainly in the archaeology it would seem to have been a much later
>phenomenon. Don't forget it was you yourself who spoke of how
>quickly mythic elements could spread through non-related cultures at
>a similar social and technological level.

Say what? The Old European cultures are certainly there by 5500 BCE, John...
including the beginnings of native scripts. The IEs would arrive down to the
shores of the Black Sea by around the same time to encounter the Semitish.
Why are you insisting on Chalcolithic cultures instead of Neolithic ones? We
already know that agriculture spread EARLIER than 5500 BCE into Europe and
if they were Semitish as I have already mentioned, all the archaeology
conforms to my view and truely IS as early as I say it is.

John:

>We must be careful when working backwards in this way how many angels
>we can get to dance on the point of a pin with purely linguistic
>evidence unsupported by archaeology.

Oh, John, are you still equating linguistics directly with archaeology? How
can we finally get you to understand your mistake?

- gLeN

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