Re: [tied] Re: Breaking Neander News

John, taking my point about giants in VARIOUS cultures across the cosmos
including Hindu myth:

>[...] there isn't a certain deity whose foot spans the cosmos!! There
>goes that point.
>
>Point taken

Thank you for shopping at www.gLeNknowsAll.com. Come again. :P

I state:

>As for #7, "big" noses can be found in many parts of the world too.
>It depends on what your criteria is. If you are looking for impressive
>nose bridges, [...] you could easily find
>one in Palestine or Turkey, not just Europe.[...] Have a blow
>on my proverbial hanky, John :P

John replies:

>Glen, mate. Have a look at the distribution map for Neanderthals.
>Found in Palestine, Turkey and the Middle East mate :0

But... if Neanderthals are so widespread as you NOW state, it begs the
question why you accuse the Basque of being so "primate" in the first place!
Paradox alert.

I say:

>Now #5 is interesting and I was unaware of blood factors, however,
>this may not be indicative of any species-interbreeding. It can just as
>easily be explained as a simple genetic mutation.

John say:

>There is a problem with that explanation based on the selective
>fatality of offspring. A simple genetic mutation (as Glen puts it)
>would lead to a heterozygous human condition amongst the early
>Basques. The fatality of 2nd and third children in heterozygous
>populations would lead to the progressive dissappearance of the Rh-
>gene, unless it had conferred a +ve survival value to the population
>possessing it, to balance out the loss (sickle cell anaemia is a
>classic example - heterozygotes have a resistance to malaria even
>though homozygotes often die from anaemia). But the problem is Rh-
>conferrs no selection advantage.

Those are alot of fancy words. Big noses aren't a survival advantage either
but those crazy Caucasoids have 'em anyway. Why? Random mutation. That's how
evolution works, by random. It doesn't ask itself whether a given mutation
will confer a survival benefit or not! With Rh-/+, there might not be any
serious benefit or detriment at all.

In fact, I'd be ten pounds lighter without my nose. Damn Neanderthals! Well,
okay, my nose isn't that big but it seemed way bigger when I was hitting
puberty... maybe cuz my head was smaller... oh no, maybe I'm NOT a
Neanderthal after all! :)

>The only explanation is that there was once a population of humans
>very isolated that were 100% Rh-.

So... you're saying that Neanderthal's had Rh- but the surrounding human
population, who in no way spoke a direct ancestor of Basque at the time, had
Rh+. They intermingled, producing a strange Rh- dominant group of hybrid
humanoids in Europe. As time went on, and particularly after 6000 BCE I
suppose, the Rh- gene slowly _lessened_ in dominance, producing the 80% seen
in Basques because of the encroaching Rh+ dominant genes from the Middle
East that had been infused into the original population? Oy veh. I have to
sit down for that one.

>Perhaps. I have alwas considered the Basques to be the descendents
>of the Aurignacian culture, which considering its range (as I said -
>Palestine to Spain and to Lake Baikal) could still allow a Basque
>Caucasian relationship of the type you suggest Glen.

Proto-VascoCaucasic couldn't have been that early in my view.

- gLeN


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