Re: [tied] Re: Sea Level and the Entry of Greek.

From: Mark Odegard
Message: 3382
Date: 2000-08-24

Thank you, John. The last link in particular is fascinating. I've found the salt archive before, but not this particular document (the whole site is weirdly formatted). I have done extensive searches on this topic before, but never really came across something aside from a site with a spectacular map of Sundaland. Earlier this year, I think it was, Steven Jay Gould did one of his Natural History essays on the Putoli columns of Naples (on the snail-bits -- Gould's Ph.D. is in snails).
 
Sea level was 9 or 10 feet ('several meters') below present, for most of the 1st Mill. BCE. 
 
The 'controversial' link about the 'Kuwait River' (Gihon) is controversial because, together with another now-seasonal river coming in from present-day Iran (Pison), added to the Tigris and Euphrates and the place they flowed into the sea, you have the geography described by Genesis 2:10-14.
 
Why oh why has not someone written a semi-popular book on the subject? Sea level rise and a the aridification of much of the world explains a great many of the 'popular' mysteries. Even scholars need to be introduced to the topic this way. We've got the *real* Garden of Eden here, the *real* Noah's flood -- documented events in earth-history whose memories have been mythologized. Even Ryan and Pitman, with that ill-titled book of theirs, seem grossly ignorant of this -- and they are the real earth-scientists who should be telling us all this.
 
Sea level rises do have effects -- slowly drowning coastal cities, crises in the salt industry, but they are not catastrophic in the short-run. People move further inland.
 
But an abandoned Greece and Thrace? Italy flooded to the 5 meter level? In the years 3800-3200? And then sea level reducing? The implications for IE studies are quite large.
 
Piotr, I think, will be noncommittal, but will likely be mugging his colleagues in the earth-history department for more information.
 
I ordered the book you mentioned. As I've said, the local public library is pitiful, and I don't have access to an adequate academic library (there isn't one within an hour).
 
Again, thanks. You've answered some questions I've had for some time.
 
Mark.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: John Croft
To: cybalist@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 10:36 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Sea Level and the Entry of Greek.

Mark

If you are interested in Sea Level Rises and the effects on history
you may like to follow the threads from
http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/lists/britarch/1999-12/0352.html

Which speaks about the sea level rise/land sinking in the Scillies of
Cornwall.

A much more contentious but fascinating article on the climatic
fluctuations in the Middle East and its corelation with sea level
changes is found at
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0194/9401048.htm

For an animated view of sea level changes, clearly showing the higher
sea levels of the past have a look at
http://geochange.er.usgs.gov/pub/sea_level/

For an analysis of historical data over the last 4.3 thousand years
showing a sea level change of over 4 foot see
http://www.salt.org.il/sealevel.html#fig1

Warm regards

John