Re: [tied] Re: Dumezil, Trito and Athena: MY IE main Gods

(I have to know more about these notations xw, x- for H-. Did I use more old
notations? X = H2? )

La:tri < *La: "to hide", but I accept the name NEKWT- too.

The character (Heimdallr,Bhishma) is a kind of old "uncle" of the gods, so
I think he can't be the same *YEMOS, that was killed in the begining...

Your reference to Xster (Venus) reminded me a good question. There's some
etymology for PIE names of planets?
How the Old Germanic people called the planets after addopt the Latin names?
The Romans borrowed their planets'names from Greek, who addopted theirs from
Accadian...maybe the Romans had differente names before Greek influence.
Sol - Helios - Shamash/Utu
Luna - Selene - Nanar/Sin
Mars - Ares - Nergal
Mercurius - Hermes - Nabu
Jupiter - Zeus - Marduk
Venus - Aphrodite - Ishtar/Inana
Saturnus - Kronos - ? (sorry, I forgot i)

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From: Glen Gordon <glengordon01@...>
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Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Dumezil, Trito and Athena: MY IE main Gods


>
> Joao explains:
>
> >*LA:TRI: "The Night Goddess" <Ra:tri, Leto (Nyx)>
>
> Wouldn't a name like *NekWt make better sense? What's *La:tri:??
>
> >*AUSO:S "The Dawn Goddess" <Mater Matuta, Eos, Ushas, *Austron->
>
> Yep, definitely! *Xeuso:s
>
>
> >Other gods I can't deduce the relationship:
> >*APOM NEPOT "The Child of Waters; Master of Subterraneous Waters" <Apam
> >Napat, Neptunus, Poseidaon, Mimir>
>
> Grandson of *Da:nu, the primordial waters. I think that he is brother with
> *Pexwr-Gnnos (warrior caste/Underworld). His wife would be Xste:r (Venus).
>
> >*? "God of Time; First to Born, first to die <Heimdallr, Bhishma, Lugh,
> >Akhiles (epic doublet), Diana>
>
> Yes, Mallory mentions him too. Perhaps this is also the rehashed story of
> *Yemos' death by the hand of his twin brother, the great ancestor of
> mankind. Thus, the god of time is *Yemos... but he's already associated
with
> the Middleworld (earth) and death.
>
> >Three *ALBHEWES "The Heavenly Artisans <Kyklopes, Rbhus, Goibniu and 2
> >brothers; Ivaldir's children>
>
> Ooh, cool.
>
> >*? "Bright God, three-legged, magic ship, flying horse, master of air
> > >elves"><Freyr, Manawyddan, Manannan, Kubera>
>
> Hmm. For the same argument as *?Rudros, bright colours involve the priest
> caste. Can we be sure that this isn't a later outcropping from *Xedhnos
> (*Waxtnos), the god of the priest caste.
>
> >*? "Dark God, giant; Underworld, master of subterraneous elves" ><Surtur,
> >Bran, Ravana>
>
> Krishna is "dark" too, just like the colour of the commoner caste.
> Therefore, he was more associated with nature and the _Middleworld_ (not
> Underworld). He is possibly yet another embodiment of the Middleworld pair
> *XeryoManus-Yemos. Take note that, in the end, Surtr is the one that burns
> the world in the Apocalypse. Does this mean that Evil or the warrior caste
> wins in the end?? Hardly.
>
> It all makes better sense and becomes cleverly and poetically ironic if
> Surtr et al. are simply embodiments of the commoner caste. Thus, the
> Apocalypse is a simple symbolism suggesting that _we_, the commoners, will
> ultimately do ourselves in, through the use of fire (a _Middleworld_
> element). However, the story ends up being about human perseverance whose
> tale is moulded from the cycle of the three seasons:
>
> Winter (white, Overworld, air, priest)
> Growing Season (green, Middleworld, earth/fire, commoner)
> Harvest Burning (red, Underworld, water, warrior)
>
> Like duh!
>
> >*? "God who lose his head; wise " <Mimir, Bran, Daksha/Ganesha>
>
> Aaah! Yes. Good one.
>
> >*LOUKSNA "THe Moon (female or male? androgynous?), Triple Goddess?"
> > ><Selene, Artemis, Luna, Durga>
>
> I call it *Me:n, personally, and... it's a boy! I think that the Sun is
male
> too who has a horse-wife named Day (possibly giving birth to the Horse
> Twins). Moon's wife is Night, a wolf and hunter. Hence, the wolf chases
the
> horse across the Overworld and Underworld. Makes sense now?
>
> >*WRTA:S" "The three Old Women, Fate" <Parcae(Vorta), Moirai, Nornir
> >(Urd), Three-folded Durga?, Badb?, Rozhenitsa>
>
> I'll think about that. This could dangerously be yet another outcrop of
the
> basic tripartioning of the IE mythos though, so I'm skeptical.
>
>
>
> Hmmm, I think I will make *Da:nu the oldest god (Chaos/Tiamat/Nu).
Sometimes
> associated as a black bird of darkness, *Da:nu lays a seed/egg from which
> grows the great *XWewi-De:ru "Egg-Tree". The Tree grows four branches to
> support the new Overworld (upper egg shell) and four roots that go into
the
> Underworld (lower egg shell).
>
> The four branches are the *xensu: *Dye:us (sky), *Xste:r (love), *Xedhnos
> (priest) and *? (Amphritrite)
>
> The four roots are the *wenu: *Nepo:t (waters), *Dyunis/GWo:u-Mate:r
> (Juno-Hera), *Pexwr-Gnnos (warrior) and *Xreghnis (Seipnir-Arachne)
>
> To make a long story short, the *xensu gods marry the *wenu goddesses and
> the *wenu gods marry the *xensu goddesses. This is a symbolic
> coming-together of two moieties, teehee! From there, everything else is
> born... the sun, the moon, day, night, Horse Twins, the Middleworld, etc.
>
> This way, Grandson (*Nepo:t) and Sky (*Dye:us) were born directly from the
> Egg-Tree and are cousins while *Xedhnos-Dye:us, *XeryoManus-Yemos and
> *PexwrGnnos-Nepo:t are all brother-pairs. Later, this literal family
"tree"
> is rearranged in favor of more likable "humanoid" parents for these two
> groups of deities, via new symbolic associations and cutsy-ootsy
> explanations for the way the cosmos runs itself.
>
> - gLeN
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