Re: Dumezil, Trito and Athena: mystery solved the gLeN way

Glen I like it. As a hypothesis it is great!

The three gods now relate to the "triune goddess" which is found in
IE as cognates in earlier posts of Danu (Dianna, Dione, Djana, Danu
etc) She could be a goddess of fresh waters (To Nepos's salt) hence
the river names. This underground chthonic nature explains the human
sacrifices to Rivers and springs throughout Celto-Germanic Europe and
explains Diana of the Nemi Fountain, the story with which Frazer
began the "Golden Bough"

Congratulations

John

The astral goddess too would need a name (could it be aspects of
Brigit?), as would the Goddess to the god of "Middle Earth"

--- In cybalist@egroups.com, "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...> wrote:
>
> While others do their battles, Loki lurks in the darkness waiting
for the
> perfect moment to pounce:
>
> >Is it so very far Piotr? Final t's were dropped both in Greek and
in >Late
> >(New Kingdom) Egyptian. A prothetic vowel or contamination from
>the
> >obviously related Semitic Anat could provide an explanation of the
>initial
> >a. So we have a possible ath-a-nei-.
>
> Erh, I think none of these hypotheses so far are likely to be so.
Therefore,
> in the cloud of confusion, I shall put forth my own silly thoughts
which I
> just devised last night after drinking a couple of shooters and
passing out.
> I'll keep it brief.
>
> Tripartition needs a change
> ---------------------------
>
> First, let's reorganize Dumezil's funny-looking tripartition
triangle thingy
> into a prettier "tree"-like diagram, shall we?
>
> CASTE REALM/ELEMENT
> OVERWORLD priest sky
>
> MIDDLEWORLD commoner earth
>
> UNDERWORLD warrior water
>
>
> Okay, everybody get it so far? We have a first layer of "elements"
with a
> second layer superimposed, suggesting some sort of post-mesolithic
social
> organisation. Let's further this diagram by pretending that these
above
> items are in fact "deified" into IE personifications. We can go
nuts with
> this one!...
>
>
> OVERWORLD Xedhnos Dye:u-Pxte:r
>
> MIDDLEWORLD XWeryo-Manus Yemos
>
> UNDERWORLD Pexwr-Genos Da:nu-Nepo:t
>
>
> Everybody happy-happy now? Everything is explained! :)
>
> This way we can plainly see that *Dye:us is Jupiter-Thor-Tiw-
Dyaus "the
> sky"; *Yemos is Ymir-Yama "the earth" and *Nepo:t is Nechtain-
Neptune-Apam
> "the sea". These are the elements/realms of IE world-view. There is
a reason
> why *Yemos is also the "god of the dead". The dead, when buried,
can be said
> to be "given to *Yemos".
>
> As for THE CASTES, we first see my new and precious reconstruction
*Xedhnos
> portrayed by Athena-Odin who are both conveniently "wise warriors"
who make
> eight-legged creatures subservient to them(Arachne/Seipnir). How
does
> everybody feel about the sound correspondances? You like? *Xedhnos'
wisdom
> makes him a fine candidate as a god of the priest caste.
>
> *Pexwr-Genos "Fire-Born" is the Thunder god represented by
> Ares-Vulcan-Parjanya-Fjo"rgyn. An association
between "thunder/storm" and
> "the sea" now makes more sense, n'est-ce pas? It also makes sense
why he
> should get involved with Venus, I think. He represents the warrior
caste. He
> might be born of fire in the sense that thunder is born of
lightning, since
> the sound follows the flash.
>
> Finally, *XWeryo-Manus "Highmost Man" is the first human being. He
slayed
> his brother *Yemos to create the earth. He is represented by
> Ariomanus-Aryaman-Airem. It is _him_ who is the originator of
mankind, not
> *Yemos who definitely gets sliced and diced. He is also a god of
the
> commoner caste (Roman Quirinus?).
>
>
> War of the Functions
> --------------------
>
> Not convinced yet? Well, the War of the Functions (aka the
Apocalypse) makes
> waaaay more sense now. Instead of two functions fighting against
poor
> defenseless commoners. We have all three!
>
> "Huh?" you say? Well, has anybody ever noticed how Loki starts the
ball
> rolling here? But who is Loki? He should be appropriately renamed
Little
> Fire (*HegWnis) as in Indic Agni. There are few places where a
pyromaniac
> can get his jollies. He can't do it in the air and he can't do it
in the
> water. Fire only really exists in the Middleworld (well, except for
the sun,
> but ignore that). Therefore, Little Fire represents the earth
who "fires up"
> the sky and the waters to join him in his war against humankind.
>
> Hence, all three elements are battling against us... and isn't that
what
> human perseverence is all about in the end?
>
>
> Trito
> -----
>
> Oh, and I almost forgot my promise, Joao. According to Mallory,
*Trito is a
> herder who lost his cattle to a three-headed monster (possibly a
serpent).
> He then regained his cattle with the help of the god of war. *Trito
is
> represented through Vedic "Trita Aptya", Avestan "Thraetaona
Athwya", Greek
> "Heracles", Norse "Hymir" and Hittite "Hupasiya". I suspect that
the name
> itself might not be properly reconstructed in IE, but I digress.
>
> - gLeN
>
>
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