From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 3127
Date: 2000-08-15
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From: John Croft <jdcroft@...>
To: <cybalist@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 8:03 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Athenaia & Trita
> Hi Joao
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> >From one John to another
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> > The link between At-Hana and Hannahanna is very plausible, although
> > I'm notsure for Anahita or Anath, but it's also possible. The
> > problem with Greek IE gods is that Greeks invaded Greece through
> > many "waves", and I think thesyncretism was made by different ways
> > in differente Greek regions.Some of the etymologies Martin Bernal
> > suggested (Black Athena) are very fascinating, like APHRODITE from
> > Pr-Wadjet, and Egyptian and Phoenician links are also a good clue
> > for seeking Greek myths' origins. I think Athena's warrior role
> > beside Zeus was a reflex of Anath beside Baal. What I'm trying to
> > say is that IE, Egyptian and Semitic influences were "pasted" to a
> > Pelasgian substratum. So, my ideas do not disagree with Athana
> > Cretan Goddess. And about PALLAS (Pallad-)? What the origin of this
> > name?
>
> A couple of things here. It is interesting that Aphrodite is
> described as a Cyprian Goddess, and she is post Cretian (according to
> Yves Bonnefoy). Thus we have a Cyprian origin coming into the Aegean
> with the arrival of the Phoneicians (post 1,000 BCE). Aphrodite and
> Attis have clear associations with Inanna/Ishtar/Astarte and
> Dammuzi/Tammuz/Adonis, and so we can see a clear Phoenician link
> there. With Anath and Baal, I think we should be careful about a one
> way causation. This was a husband-wife, brother-sister linkage.
> There was no association of that between Zeus and Athena in classical
> times, when Athena as warrior beside Zeus was most developed. There
> may have been a Goddess-Consort role between Potiniya Athana and Zeus
> there, but then Ugarit was the first port of call for Cretian and
> Mycenaeans in the Middle East. There, later Phoenician influences
> may
> have been originally Aegean. Certainly the Sea Peoples were settled
> widely along this coast in the post-Mycenean volkerwunderungen, and
> Phoenician dynasts derived their genealogies from Mopsus of Colophon,
> a minor Greek hero. There is significant evidence that Aegean mythos
> entered later Jewish belief via the Philistines (David was a
> Philistine mercenary in their pay, and the first High Priests in
> Jerusalem were Philistines from Gerar. The stories of "wandering in
> the wilderness", the "promised land" and the land of "milk and honey"
> (Honey was a Cretian export - Candia in Crete is the origin of our
> word for candy), and the Hebrew derivation of Philistines from
> Caphtor
> (Keftiu=Pillar) is all very suggestive.
>
> > She was a different goddess? Or just another epithetus? Linked with
> > Giant and Titan Pallas (Pallanto-)?
>
> You might like to have a look at the archive of our posts Joao. We
> did a search in several classical dictionaries under the name Pallas
> some time ago. It revealed some interesting connections, including
> our own palace, and the Pelasgoi.
>
> > ABout Black Athena: Bernal suggested etymology khprr (sun-scarab
> > Khepri) for Apollon, but I think KhPRR could be linked to titan
> > HYPERION (The Sun-Titan of non-Hesiodic 14 Titans, and father of
> Sun
> > in Hesiodic Titans)
>
> Interesting. I tend to agree with you. Apollo is usually seen as
> Lycian in origin. Certainly his name is shared with the Tyrrenoi
> (many posts on this list on this subject).
>
> Regards
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> John
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