From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 2715
Date: 2000-06-21
----- Original Message -----From: Glen GordonSent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 6:02 AMSubject: [TIED] Le *H1 existe ou non?
What convinces me that H1 is not a mere artefact of the Saussurean analysis of long-vowel roots is the fact that it behaves like a real consonant in certain contexts. The zero grade of *pelH1/*pleH1 (traditional *pel@-/*ple:-) is *plH1-, which clearly contrasts with *ple-, *pl@- or *pl- (the traditional reconstruction is *pl:-, with a "long syllabic liquid", untenable for PIE; the laryngeal must have been lost independently in the individual branches). In Indo-Iranian and Balto-Slavic (and so perhaps in "Satemic") *plH1-nó- > *p@... > BSl *pi:lna-, Skt. pu:rna- etc. with compensatory lengthening. When a stem like *H1nek- is reduplicated, as in perfects of the type *H1ne-H1nok-e, *H1le-H1loudH-e, the reduplication vowel is lengthened (*@ne:noke. *@le:loudHe), a phenomenon which would be hard to explain if we had to work with H-less roots like *enk-/*nek- or *eludH-/*leudH- (let alone the awkward disyllabicity of *eludH-). As opposed to these cases, nothing really compels us to reconstruct *dHeH1- rather than *dHe:-, but since we seem to need *H1 elsewhere and *dHe:- without a final consonant would be an aberrant root type, the reconstruction *dHeH1- can be regarded as more elegant.Piotr
Glen a proposé la solution suivante:Est-ce qu'on pourrait reconstruire *dhe:-/*dhe- a la place de *dheH-/*dhH-?
Piotr, que dites-vous? Aussi, peut-etre l'aoriste, avec le vrddhi (ou *H1)
sur la voyelle thematique, a ete derive des adjectifs thematiques.
Alors, premierement, on avait des adjectifs en *-e-, formes par la confusion
de la terminaison genitive accentuee (*-es) avec le nominatif *-s. Puis, de
ce developpement, on a obtenu des verbes (formes directement des adjectifs
thematiques) qui ce terminaient en *-e:-. Le vrddhi existerai
automatiquement sur les syllabes ouverts accentues comme *dhe:-/*dhe-. Puis,
finalement, les adjectifs en *-e- a ete confuses par les noms derives en
*-o- (avec l'accentuation primaire), donnant des adjectifs en *-o-. En tout,
on pourrait effacer les *H1s completement, j'imagine.