John:
>I think we are making progress.
I am. Not sure if we can turn you around though. :)
I accept my error in placing the Sumerian language too far north into
Central Mesopotamia before the intrusion of Akkadian and being unaware, but
now acceptant, of a Halaf-HurroUrartian equation as likely (NOT a
Halaf-Hurrian equation like you stated, BTW). It is likely, not only because
of the archaeology and timing but seems evidenced in the actual Sumerian
language that a contact with a VascoCaucasian language of the HU variety
took place at some point in time. Perhaps we might go so far as to call this
the underlying substratum that you imagine so flatulantly as the invisible
Asianic language.
EncBritt spars against your claim that Urartian is a daughter language from
Hurrian and wins the battle. It clarifies that Urartian together with
Hurrian are likely derived from a parent language (HurroUrartian) 3000 BCE
or earlier, NOT from Hurrian itself.
Chadic is also not in NW Africa away from... well.. from Chad (hence the
name). Nor could Berber ever be so far south into NigerKordofanian territory
for reasons linguistical as well as environmental (nb: Dennis' enlightening
post). Lastly, I won't even bother to speak of your ludicrous placement of
Semitic in Egypt.
And for the last time, Azilo-Tardenoisian is a culture but not a language.
Shake your head a little and decide whether you want to do a cultural map or
a linguistical map. You can't do both and I will not argue with you on this
last piece of simple common sense. On a linguistical map, you have a choice
between "Vasconic" (a recognized language group of Basque dialects plus
Aquitanian), "undefined" or a credible language group of your own making
with a large amount of linguistic-based justification behind it.
>If Sumerian split about 12,000 BCE we are talking of a split
>from the emergent Nostratic out of Africa - Kebaran [...] Sumerian >could
>have been the first mesolithic culture to occupy Arabia.
Only if Sumerian is not a Eurasiatic language and a fourth branch of
Nostratic, on par with Kartvelian, AA and the rest of Eurasiatic. I feel a
synaptic discharge coming on...
>The spread of this culture, to the east, to the west
>and to the north, gives us an excellent means for the further
>fragmentation of Steppe.
Debate on the placement of Steppe anywhere other than the steppe environs is
closed. It's as ludicrous a topic as Semitic in Egypt or IE in Anatolia.
Lastly, in regards to IE *ereudhos, Sumerian /urud/ and Dennis' comments on
my Semitic suggestion, I think I've come up with a decent synthesis of both
our views. Perhaps we might set up a Semitic form **eru:-ard.u "metal of
earth(-colour)" with accent on the long vowel. The question is whether *eru:
is attested other than Akkadian and whether the complete word or phrase
survives somehow in later Semitic languages, even as a poetic phrase or a
corrupted word.
Lastly yet, I'm starting to speculate on the distribution and possible
significance of Mother Goddess figurines to the spread of VascoCaucasian
(the DeneCaucasian "T-Group") and Early IE mythology, in contrast to, say,
the introduction of agriculture and Baal (Dyeus). I get the feeling that
this is yet another arcane dimension and potential substantiation for
Semitish-IE relations just waiting to be explored by a peppy, young girl
scout like myself... erh, I mean boy scout. Hmmm-hmmm (clearing throat in a
manly way).
Hang on Cinnamon, we're goin' on a trip!
- gLeN
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