From: Mark Odegard
Message: 2281
Date: 2000-04-30
From: Glen Gordon
[...] now my timelines are changing in my head and I'm starting to think that perhaps it was only the IE speakers who arrived on the North Shores of the Black Sea around 5500 BCE and perhaps the Tyrrhenian group were more northern and would have moved further west and into the Balkans around 6000 BCE or so. I wonder however how this tie in with archaeology.
What this idea would mean in part is that IE never had direct interaction with Uralic since there would have been a northern layer of non-IE IndoTyrrhenian dialects seperating any contact. Guess we're all flying kites this week.
5500 BCE. I've read stuff published before Ryan and Pitman's findings which give this date as a reasonable one for the 'falling-together' of PIE.All the historical linguists and all the archaeologists need a few more years to assimilate the transgression of the Med into the Euxine and work out the possibilities. There is also a generation's worth of marine archaeology that needs doing.A reasonable question, however, is what effect the filling of the Sea of Azov, as well as the 'bays' on either side of what now is the Crimea had on those living along the lower reaches and at the ancient mouth of the Dneister: The falling apart of Indo-Uralic and the falling together of Proto-Uralic to the east and PIE to the west? Or perhaps 'Indo-Tyrrhenian' to the west, and PIE to the east, with Uralic further away towards the Volga?This really is an interesting time for Urheimat questions. New data will be flowing in almost as fast as the Med flowed into the Euxine.Mark.