Re: Irish haplogroup 1

Rex wrote

> The researchers found that 98.8pc of men with Gaelic Connacht surnames
> (Ruane), carried the group of genes. But the further east people came

from

> (indicated by surname), the lower the frequency of the genetic trait.

It was

> carried by just 62.5% of the English (Hill)surnames, 52.9% of the

Scottish

> surnames (Blair) and 83% of the Norman and Norse surnames

(Fitzgerald).

>
> I note with interest the two closest groups are the (Connacht/Irish:

98.8%)

> with the (Norman/Norse: 83%). This apparent relationship
> is to me, most significant historically, but was not the focus,

apparently

> of the study and reports. I suggest that one factor in the

difference in

> these two groups is related to natural homogeny of island over

mainland

> circumstances.
>
> Also, regional variation from other insular groups carried similar
> indicators: surnames apparently originating in Munster dropped only
> to 94.6%. Ulster: 81.1. Leinster in the south east: 73.3
>
> Reports and reporters however, suggest that the east-west pattern
> continues across Europe. Basques are said to be 89 % (!!)

affiliated, while

> Turks: just 1.8.
>
> Comments, anyone? More data?
>
> (Minor harassing note for John: Observe that the Norse/Norman surname
> variance was identical and they were therefore grouped together, as Y
> indicators were not influenced by their PROTO-French Celtic wives on

the

> Continent :-)

Rex, regarding the so called Norse Norman name Fitzgerald, in fact came
to Ireland with the 1170 invasion from Wales, from where the name
originated, amongst the Norman English invaders of South Wales. The
family married into the Celtic aristocracy in both Wales and Ireland
and was from early years divided into two parts - Desmond and the
Knights of Glinn. They were prolific castlebuilders and by Elizabethan
times were "more Irish than the Irish". So the name Fizgerald, whilst
being called Norse Norman by ancestry in fact genetically as Celtic
Irish as O'Neill. Its Norse-Norman component was quickly out-gened by
the Gaelic and Brythonnic Celts. Not celtic French wives Rex, but
Irish ones.

I wonder whether the Hill surname too does not apply to people who
originally inhabited the "hills" - and so contained a greater
proportion of remnant refuge genes than those of the more fertile
lowlands.

Warm Regards

John